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Topic Review (Newest First)
09-21-2001 06:26 PM
audbydez
A new catalina 36?

PAUL-E

I''m going to throw a monkey wrench into this whole discussion.

Everyone is talking construction here and some making recommendations for alternative boats that may cost $30,000 to $35,000 more than a Catalina.

In another post, I mentioned the Dufour Classic Series Yachts. I like the 36 for its incredible well built construction, blue water capabilites, and standard features - bolted deck to hull, vacuum assisted hull construction to retard blisters (10 yr hull warranty), rack and pinion steering, self aligning rudder bearings, saildrive engine, and alot more.

Like all production boats, interior finishes make have some cost savings, but this boat is incredibly well made, fast, safe and seaworthy. Fully outfitted with autopilot, adjustable jib leads, spinnaker gear, GPS, AWI, adjustable backstay, electric windlass and more the cost is around $146,000 fully commissioned.

I prepared a comparative study flow chart for the most popular yachts (beneteau, catalina, dufour, C&C, Tartan, and sabre). If you want a copy send me your e-mail address. I think you''ll find it helpful.

By the way, all yacht interiors can be redesigned and customized to make up for the "production compromises".

Enjoy!

Captain Ron

CaptainRonBVI@aol.com
09-21-2001 06:25 PM
audbydez
A new catalina 36?

PAUL-E

I''m going to throw a monkey wrench into this whole discussion.

Everyone is talking construction here and some making recommendations for alternative boats that may cost $30,000 to $35,000 more than a Catalina.

In another post, I mentioned the Dufour Classic Series Yachts. I like the 36 for its incredible well built construction, blue water capabilites, and standard features - bolted deck to hull, vacuum assisted hull construction to retard blisters, rack and pinion steering, self aligning rudder bearings, saildrive engine, and tons more. Like all productin boats, interior finishes make have some cost savings, but this boat is incredibly well made, fast, safe and seaworthy. Fully outfitted with autopilot, adjustable jib leads, spinnaker gear, GPS, AWI, adjustable backstay, electric windlass and more the cost is around $146,000 fully commissioned.
I prepared a comparative study flow chart for the most popular yachts (beneteau, catalina, dufour, C&C, Tartan, and sabre). If you want a copy send me your e-mail address. I think you''ll find it helpful.

By the way, all yacht interiors can be redesigned and customized to make up for the "production compromises".

Enjoy!

Captain Ron

CaptainRonBVI@aol.com
06-07-2001 09:32 AM
Denr
A new catalina 36?

waternuts:

What about an answer to the previous posting on this string....pan pan pan pan pan pan!
05-21-2001 05:37 AM
Denr
A new catalina 36?

You are misinformed about the construction of the Catalina 36 my friend. Please refer to Volume 27 *11 & 12 dated June 2001 of Practical Sailor. I quote "Catalina''s are assembled from three principal moldings-the hull, deck and interior liner (read pan) that incorporates the cabin sole and much of the furniture" The bond between this pan and the hull and its stringers are the source of squeaky floors. This is a time-saving (read cheap) method of building a production boat actually developed by Butler. I still maintain that pans on sailboats should only be found in the galley. I am now convinced that the Sabre 38 you claim to have beat the pants off was on its cradle! That''s my story and I''m sticking to it.
05-18-2001 08:36 PM
Jeff_H
A new catalina 36?

Well you may have beaten a Sabre 38 with a Catalina 36 but according to PHRF you must be one heck of a sailor. Looking at the range of ratings for the two boats, Catalina 36''s rate between a deep draft tall rig at 132 to a normal rig wing keel at 147. The Sabre 38 rates 111 to 126 depending on the mix of keels and rigs. Even the Sabre 36 with a rating range of 105 to 129 is a substanially faster boats. Around here you find Sabre 36''s that are able to sail to their ratings. I have never heard of a Catalina 36 sailing to its rating. I have heard of the Cat 27''s soing quite well though.
Jeff
05-18-2001 02:32 PM
Denr
A new catalina 36?

You said that you beat the pants off the Sabre38, were you going in the same direction or was he at anchor? Give me a break!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
05-16-2001 10:31 AM
h20nut
A new catalina 36?

Thanks Capt.Bob
I''ve been trying to explain to paul-e what we already know. Hopefully this will clear up some of the misinformation we''ve read in this exchange. It seems that because Catalina is among the "Big Three" many people believe they are all built the same.
Not true. Hunter and Beneteau do a good job of building "pan" boats, Catalina takes the extra step of adding a structural grid. C''mon down to the production facility here in Largo. I''ll show you this part, as Capt. Bob said, it''s massive. Really den-r I''m only trying to explain the differences in the methods of construction.
JeffH your summary was really interesting but I just can''t agree with your assesment of Catalina. You seem to be very well informed in so many areas. Shall I have Mr. B give you another call? This forum has been great entertainment/education and it appears that hundreds have viewed this discussion. Paul-e I think Capt. Bob says it best.
You just can''t miss with a C-36.
Waternut..............
05-16-2001 10:21 AM
Jeff_H
A new catalina 36?

Actually, the two agencies that currently rate boats with an ''offshore rating'' both require a range of positive stability of 130 or 135 depending which of the two rating agencies you are discussing. In that regard, at 122 degrees of positive stability the C36 would not meet either of the two rating system''s requirements for offshore use. I am not sure if that is terribly relevant to the discussion at hand.

Jeff


05-16-2001 09:08 AM
CaptBobMcc
A new catalina 36?

Paul-e:

Why do you want to be talked out of buying a Catalina. The most boat for the money and a great "family" of owners. We have local fleets around the country as well as the International C36 Association. A magazine devoted to Catalina, Morgan and Capri owners with a technical section for problem solving and information for each class size.

The choice of a wing of fin keel would depend on where you sail and whether or not you intend to make offshore passages or voyages. As far as the stability rateings go, both are 122 degrees. The boat is well biult to ABYC and USCG standards and is a fully capable bluewater cruiser.
05-16-2001 08:59 AM
CaptBobMcc
A new catalina 36?

Denr:

You may know three Catalina owners but I know about a thousand or more of them. In all the years that I''ve owned a C36(an "87 model)to which I made many modifications, I''ve not had more that three dissatisfied owners come to me about their boats. FYI, I''m the C36 Tech Editor.

You are wrong about the pan. Catalina 36s aren''t built that way. There is no pan, just massive stringers to which all interior fittings and joinery are fastened to. The deck provides the top fastenings. There is no tabbing. Note: the older boate did have tabs to fasten the interior of the anchor well to the hull, the newer vessels have a moulded-in anchor well.

The Catalina is built to ABYC and USCG standards and is considered an "off-shore capable" boat. I kbow, I''ve taken mine up to New England for 17 days. Others cruise to Maine. One has taken his to Hawaii and returned in a 75mph storm. Some have cruised to Alaska and Mexico.

Other size Catalinas (smaller) have made circumnavigations as well as trans-Atlantic and Trans-Pacific voyages.

Personal experience has shown me that a Catalina, properly rigged, can beat the pants off a Sabre any time. I''ve left a Sabre 38 in the dust in a 22 knot breeze. Yes, Felicity II is a deep keel vs a wing keel, but that''s only because that''s what was available when I bought her.
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