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01-03-2009 04:03 PM
bubb2 Valiente, We are talking the same language!! A good start makes for a great race! The music is just to distract the other boats.
01-03-2009 03:55 PM
Valiente
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I have found a method that works for me and I would like to share it with you. 15 min's before the race starts I am making 1 min runs up to the line so I know exactly where I need to be when the 1 min gun sounds. At the sound of the gun we turn the boat and trim sheets and make our run to the line. The Idea here is to be a full speed crossing the start line when the start gun fires. Once we come around and head for the start line after the 1 min gun there is no turning back or letting up. You are driving the boat to the start and you are going to find a whole between other the boats and that is where you pass through at the start.
This method is pretty much key to a great start. "Running the line", we used to figure if there was a favoured pin (you could look it up) and count in seconds the time it took to transit the line. We knew how long it took to tack about within 2 seconds or so, barring mishaps. So we would wait for the 1 minute gun and make our turn X/2 - tack time and most of the time we would tack over the line right at the committee boat or the far pin.

Of course we would always choose to be on starboard at this point, and to be doing hull speed if possible. There are few greater pleasure in racing than to see a horde of guys in your fleet on port in front of you luffing and slewing and shouting as you flash by 'em at arms' length to haul ass over the start line.

That and a boat that's owed a bit of time are excellent keys to victory.
01-03-2009 03:48 PM
Valiente
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Originally Posted by AE28 View Post
Sanctimonious blather
01-02-2009 05:04 PM
SailChick20
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Originally Posted by sailortjk1 View Post
Kristen,
Have you got a crew list started for next year?
Maybe we can do some JAM (Jib and Main) races on Wednesday nights.
(I would think this would be a good starting point for you)
Im sure you would love it. Have you talked to Mark about it?
Hey Tim,

I've mentioned it to Mark a bit...and I'm sure I'll end up racing with him 75% of the time still. I'd like to get some more experience on other boats too.

Been thinking about joining MORF...maybe catch a race here or there, when Mark isn't racing....and when I can round up enough (& qualified) crew. I have a handful of people that claim interest, but you know how quickly that can change when you need em' to come through on a certain day.

Seems like there are very few in the JAM section on Wednesday nights...so maybe you're right...a good place to start. See you there sometime?!
01-02-2009 03:50 PM
US27inKS
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The thing that makes me most nervous is the start...and the quick tacks/gybes before the start..only a couple feet away from other boats.
You'll get used to this, and you'll learn which boats you can trust not to hit you and which ones to avoid.

The thing that makes me nervous is when you're going to cross paths with someone and are on starboard tack, and the other boat has a big deck sweeper genoa flying. If you see feet under the edge of the sail and no one is playing peek-a-boo, you've got trouble.

When I go racing I live by the rule of "no paint exchange, no protest flag". It keeps everyone friendly at a friendly race. Real racers won't be so kind.
01-02-2009 02:22 PM
blt2ski JAM = jib and main.....nice to know what that means! Here in the NW it is FS or NFS, ie flying sails, or NON flying sails divisions. SO NFS here is equal to JAM there in GL's! Learn something here everyday if one looks! At least the jam is not what one puts on sandwiches!

marty
01-02-2009 02:20 PM
sailortjk1 Kristen,
Have you got a crew list started for next year?
Maybe we can do some JAM (Jib and Main) races on Wednesday nights.
(I would think this would be a good starting point for you)
Im sure you would love it. Have you talked to Mark about it?
01-02-2009 02:20 PM
blt2ski Jim,

Nice to know in you region they credit more than the NW! Still as pointed out, not sure the credit for a fixed prop is worth it! It has been shown many times over an over that a folding or equal is faster than the credit you get. Most folks seem to report .5-1 knot of speed in lighter winds. My PO did when he went from a fixed to a max prop.

Marty
01-02-2009 02:17 PM
blt2ski Yes Ray,

More racing stripes should help tremendously! Figure a gain of about 20secs per stripe, so 7-8 stripes should make you as fast as Alex! Kewl eh!

marty
01-02-2009 02:14 PM
timebandit Sail Chick

"Risk more than others think is safe. Care more than others think is wise. Dream more than others think is practical. Expect more than others think is possible. "
~ Cadet Maxim


Kinna sez it all.

The bigest defference between racers and wanna be racers is seat time. You cannot expect to be tops if you don't pratice.

The reason racers are always tweeking things is just pratice and and learning.

Racing is about finding the edge and you won't find it untill you go over it. Trim the sails in and go faster and in some more untill you go slower then go back---lesson learned.

Watch what others are doing and try it in pratice to see if it will work for you.-- Faster boat has 5 crew up foward to set spin and you don't need that many--maybe the extra weight helps them round the mark better??

Who knows?

Ask for advice, from faster sailors. Try it and see if you can make it work for you. Please don't tell someone that has taken the time to help you that their advice could not work. When I take my time to explain something to a nubee and I get that response I think "that is why you will always be behind me".

Note: I DON'T RACE BOATS because I am to competive and would prolly end up spending to much money, sailing is my escape.

Being you senior by a few decades and 2 days I know what you are about and I caution you about going down the path you are headed. I also know you will not be swayed.

Get in there and have some fun.


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