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06-28-2004 12:56 PM
A circumnavigation?

Have you looked at the Valiant 40''s or the Baba 40''s... those are two of Bob Perry''s (the designer) favorite designs.
06-27-2004 07:11 PM
A circumnavigation?

They are pretty boats but would be very low on my list for a boat to do a circumnavigation on. To me they are an anachronism. They are overweight, under ballasted and undercanvassed charactures of a bygone era. But then again that may be just me.

06-27-2004 02:33 AM
A circumnavigation?

Anyone have an opinion on the Hardin Voyager series?
05-12-2004 03:55 AM
A circumnavigation?

Both have reasonably good reputations as world cruisers if they are rebuilt to do so. I personally would prefer a Kelly- Peterson 44 or 46 in that size and price range.

05-12-2004 01:57 AM
A circumnavigation?

Hello from Balad Iraq, just a year or so to go and I will be out of here. Hey do any of you all have an opinion on either the CSY 44 or the Mason 43 for a world cruiser? I am just looking for a safe boat with some room a couple can handle for a non hurried world cruise.
04-19-2004 05:54 AM
A circumnavigation?

Here are some links:

The Owners discussion list is best at:

The Sailnet list is not very active.

I have a 33ft CSY. The 44 Walk Over is a popular boat for cruising and there are a few 44 walk throughs as well. They made a 37ft as awell as some 44 Pilot Houses. They are all late 70''s very early 80''s boats with exceptionally thick hulls. They are not light air boats but they do better than you might think. They are comfortable boats that can carry a lot of stuff and have good tankage.

You''ll find a lot of folks that have cruised these boats at the above discussion list. Folks who own them love them. They are all more than 20 years old and need a complete survey as with all older boats.
04-15-2004 02:18 PM
A circumnavigation?

I have heard good things about the CSY, what do you think?
04-03-2004 08:07 AM
A circumnavigation?

I have a 38 Ingrid. They seam to be very capable. I have met with several people that have, or are in the process of circumnavigating in Ingrid''s. They all are very happy. I have Sean them as cheep as $45,000. But those needed a lot of work. I have also Seen them for as much as $119,000. But I think that is over priced. I am considering getting more of a costal cruiser, So I have considered selling mine. And it is all set up. I would make you a deal
04-01-2004 06:23 PM
A circumnavigation?

Jerry, you need to look carefully for that comma...but yes, I did mean the Maine-built Mariner 36 (vs. several iterations of a same-named boat from the Far East).

Most owners of Tayana 37 boats with whom I meet out cruising like their boats (altho'' you''ll find that virtually *everyone* likes their boat while owning/sailing it...) altho'' some of the negatives tend to be:
- tank construction
- all that wood (to maintain in some fashion)
- build quality (I''ve seen new T37''s miserably fail an initial survey, apparently due to less reliable build quality)
- despite a tall mast, less satisfying light wind sailing when loaded up

Something we could all discuss more thoroughly on this BB is the whole issue of ergonomics. For me, a T37 just doesn''t seem to work well - I don''t naturally ''fit'' in some of the work spaces on the boat (I''m 6'' and 175#). This is one of a hundred reasons why different folks view a given boat differently; be sure to ''try it on'' when you get to the shopping stage.

04-01-2004 04:43 PM
A circumnavigation?

I''ve sailed a bit on a Cape Dory 36. While the boat is thought of by many as a traditional world cruiser type, I think I would have to agree with Jack''s comments above. She does have a lot of wetted surface and a heavy displacement on a short waterline, so expect to do a lot of motor sailing if you want to get anywhere in light air.

Although she rates high on Ted Brewer''s Motion Comfort Index, that doesn''t mean she doesn''t have any motion. I think Jeff woud say that although she might move slowly, she probably moves through wide angles. For what it is worth, Ted Brewer in a recent issue of Good Old Boat magazine explained that initially he thought up the Motion Comfort Index as a spoof.

The boat, at least the one I''ve been on, is not set up well for single-handing -- all the sheets are out of reach from behind the wheel. On a cruise this past year, during my night watch we were sailing under reefed main and staysail when the wind abated but the seas were still up. I needed more power to keep the boat moving well, but whenever I came out from behind the wheel to pull in the sheet and unroll the Yankee, the weather helm that developed would throw the boat onto the opposite tack. I really needed dynamic control of the wheel - I needed to be in two places at once. (It never occurred to me to try the Autohelm, in part because it uses a fair bit of electrical power and there''s not a lot of space on the boat -- at least this one -- for big banks of batteries, so we tended to avoid using electrical appliances unless the motor was running.) Once the next watch came on deck, the two of us were able to get the boat moving right along (and back on the right course).

It''s not a bad boat, but I don''t think a Cape Dory 36 or similar hull form is the boat for me. The fact that my dad has a Cape Dory 36 and that I want to set my own course with my own boat has nothing to do with it ;-)


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