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Topic Review (Newest First)
01-22-2009 10:08 PM
elborracho If you are on the west coast, I would be interested in buying your A4.
Bill
01-05-2009 10:42 AM
hellosailor Gasoline fuel pumps tend to be "ignition" protected no matter what the application, land or marine. It isn't like alternators, where the marine models have additional vapor-ignition protection. I suppose a pump designed for the land market might have a nice aluminum casing which promptly pits away in salt air, but I don't think an insurer would bother looking all that closely at whether a pump was USCG approved, the claims value on any old boat with an A4 in it just isn't going to be all that high. (And the pump maker could be held liable in any case.)

I'd have to agree with cpaul, that's not one to lose sleep over. But like anything on a boat--and all too much of anything in stores these days--you need to eyeball it and see if it has been built right for your needs.

I'd disagree on the starting fluid, though. Flammable vapors below? No need, just spray the same areas with Windex or plain water, if the engine speeds up then stumbles it has ingested the spray. (Speeds up as the water blocks the leak, stumbles as the water gets into the cylinders.) Some mechanics also use propane from an unlit torch--which works the same as starting fluid, more or less. Still a flammable gas problem on a boat, I'd prefer the spray bottle.
USCG approved Windex, of course. (VBG)
01-05-2009 08:45 AM
tommays I dont like to disagree with cardiacpaul


BUT if your going with and electric fuel pump it does need to be MARINE AND IT DOES need to be wired correctly so that it ONLY runs when your cranking and uses and oil pressure switch to keep it running after the motor starts


You also need to use real A1 marine fuel line


If you pop auto parts into a marine gas motor and it pops or burns you will have insurance issues and could end up killing yourself
01-04-2009 07:18 PM
hellosailor Let's not forget the A4, like almost all gasoline engines of that vintage, uses a carburetor. Carbs need to be stripped down and rebuilt every 5 years in routine use, more often if fuel has been left in them without stabilant during the off-season. Carbs simply gum up from normal gasoline aging in them (less of a problem since gasoline was generally reformulated by the 90's) and thsat's one advantage of a diesel engine--no carb, fuel injection system instead. Of course when a diesel FI system has problems, they can be way more of a problem than a simple carb rebuild. Catch-22.
01-04-2009 03:17 PM
SEMIJim
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Originally Posted by chtaylor View Post
No wonder your handle is "cardiacpaul". You might want to calm down a bit before the big one.
I think I begin to perceive the true nature of the problem...

Jim
01-04-2009 03:13 PM
SEMIJim I can just see CP sitting at his computer, gritting his teeth, vein popping-out on his forehead, the Cuban glancing at him worriedly--concerned he's gonna stroke out

The above is why I don't spend more time at the MM site. Beside the fact my mad IC engine skillz aren't what they used to be, I fear I'd too-often go ballistic over IC engine n00bs w/o a clue going in all the wrong directions, doing all the wrong things, reporting the wrong things, mis-reporting the things they do get right... Seen it many, many times, over there. Sometimes I read, shake my head, and think "That can't possibly be right."

Not trying to pick on you, chtaylor. You're having iron genny problems and haven't a clue about IC engines. Not your fault--exactly. But what you're going thru isn't your A4's fault, either.

Btw: Water in the oil. I suppose this has been asked, already, but I don't suppose you once-or-twice cranked too long w/o her starting, with the raw water intake open, did you? Check the MM site for how to check for water in the cylinders. It'll come into #4, first, then on to the others. If that's the problem, and it's not too bad, it's pretty easily fixed.

Tho "IC engine mechanic" wasn't on the list of skills at which you wished to become proficient when you got into sailing, that iron genoa is part of your boat, and, if you're like the rest of us, a pretty damn imporant part when you need it. So it would behoove you to become somewhat proficient at it, whether you really want to or not. Life will be easier. Or you could hire it done. Expensive, tho, and if you're out in the middle of nowhere and a minor problem crops up, well... (Not-to-mention that, once you know what you're about, you'll probably do a better job, anyway.)

The good news is it sounds like your A4 isn't in bad shape at all. Just needs the right fixes.

Good luck.

Jim
01-04-2009 02:50 PM
chtaylor No wonder your handle is "cardiacpaul". You might want to calm down, take a tranqualizer or go sailing a bit before the big one hits you. Also, as I was seeking advice on a decision of whether to have the engine rebuilt or replaced, your insulting critique of my attempts at repairing the engine is irrelevant.

You make an unwarranted assumption that I have a "desire to work on my own stuff".
Nothing could be further from the truth. My only desire is to sail. But since I have not become wealthy in my lifetime, I'm forced to attempt to do my own work. Unfortunately, I was not born with your innate knowledge of internal combustion engines.
01-04-2009 12:52 PM
chtaylor Thanks for the responses. Here's a thread that explains SOME of the problems that I have been having with the engine:

At Wits' End - Moyer Marine Atomic 4 Community

Now, I have water in the oil. I checked the entire exhaust system for clogs and now suspect a blown head gasket.

At any rate, I'm tired of spending more time working on the engine than sailing and my disgust level has maxed out.

I understand that the Atomic 4 was, perhaps, a good engine it its day and that the engine is old; but THIS engine is a POS.

Charles Taylor
01-03-2009 08:41 PM
hellosailor Charles, a used diesel that hasn't been rebuilt is still an unknown factor. How willing is the mechanic to warranty it? How available is he to come and work on it, if there is a problem?

It does seem marginal on the horsepower, but then again diesels and gas engines have different torque curves as well--so the hp isn't effectively the same. (Well, it is, but the torque makes a difference.) I'm not sure that you wouldn't also need to change the transmission in order to run the diesel at the right speed as well.

If fuel stowage and pricing isn't an issue, a properly rebuilt A4 should be a perfectly serviceable and good powerplant. It isn't unreliable because it is an A4, or because it is a gasoline engine. It is an OLD engine, and that's a problem no matter what the fuel is. Two grand wouldn't be bad, for a complete rebuild, if it was done properly with no corners cut.
01-03-2009 08:38 PM
SEMIJim
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Originally Posted by chtaylor View Post
The Atomic 4 that came with my 1977 Ericson 32 has been a pain in the rear ever since I bought the boat 2 years ago.
Define "pain in the rear." Properly-maintained A4s that aren't sick in some way tend to be quite reliable. The A4 on our '76 Pearson 30 runs like a top. (Knock on wood!)

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Originally Posted by chtaylor View Post
Any thoughts on the pros and cons of rebuilding the Atomic vs. replacing it with the Yanmar would be greatly appreciated.
Check this thread: http://www.sailnet.com/forums/atomic...nt-heresy.html for a similar discussion.

Personally, as I noted there, I'd prefer to keep the A4. I prefer gasoline-powered engines over diesel.

Jim
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