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01-15-2009 01:15 PM
Faster
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Originally Posted by joethecobbler View Post
Better keep checking for used boats. you can buy a 25-30 foot sailboat w/ a working engine for 2-5000 no problem.
Agreed!

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Originally Posted by joethecobbler View Post
..... don't even waste your time w/ brokers unless you just like giving your money away/ they offer no real value they are , in my opinion, similiar to used car salesmen.
While some may indeed be "used care salesmen", there's generally no real disadvantage or cost to using selling brokers to look for and check out boats, the seller pays the guy. It is possible that you'll get a better deal if the seller doesn't have to pay the broker - but that's not always the case, esp in today's market with desperate sellers. Going through brokerages will give you more exposure to more boats with less running around....
01-15-2009 11:49 AM
joethecobbler Better keep checking for used boats. you can buy a 25-30 foot sailboat w/ a working engine for 2-5000 no problem. don't even waste your time w/ brokers unless you just like giving your money away/ they offer no real value they are , in my opinion, similiar to used car salesmen. with the market today you can get a sailboat for almost nothing. and it will cost you more to dock and berth it than you'll spend aquiring it. Unless you buy new your going to want to change things and add stuff anyway once you get aboard.
Just use common sense and don't get caught up in all the hype and mystery. People have been sailing the world in boats since before written history. it's not rocket science.
I fell for the BS for over a decade from people who never left the dock scaring me w/ assumptions about sailing the east coast. I finally just did it and found out it is NOT complicated or difficult . and I could have done it years earlier with boats I already had. It could be done in a sailfish if you pick your weather !
01-15-2009 08:58 AM
sailingdog Very true... but you really need to check your insurance policy's named storm clause, since some will REQUIRE you to be hauled out, others, will require you to be within certain geographic limits during the season... etc. Better to know what is required and do it, than to find out your boat wasn't covered because you didn't read the fine print.
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Best plan is to have the boat hauled out before an approaching storm and secured. Set some $$ aside for this. If you get your insurance from BoatUS, I think they still pay for 1/2 the cost of a named storm haulout as their experience is that dry land is the best place for a boat in a 'cane.
01-14-2009 12:20 PM
camaraderie Best plan is to have the boat hauled out before an approaching storm and secured. Set some $$ aside for this. If you get your insurance from BoatUS, I think they still pay for 1/2 the cost of a named storm haulout as their experience is that dry land is the best place for a boat in a 'cane.
01-14-2009 12:03 PM
Kommy000 yea I'm leaning towards the real sailboat. Just saw somebody post 27 Morgan in very good condition for about 7 grand on craigslist. Also local yacht brokers have some nice ones for about 9 grand. So there is plenty of real sailboats around.
Just need to research more on what to do during hurricane or when hurricane hits close to Tampa Bay. Seems like lots of people find safe cove and anchor there. Since I'm new to sailing need to find out the locations of those areas and how it works around tampabay and saint pete clearwater area. I do have full time job and will not have time to sail the boat thousands miles away every time there is a hurricane passing in around tampabay, but at the same time I do not want my boat destroyed in a slip because some other boat banged into it or just because water level went up 6 feet. So thats why trailable boat sounded like a good idea.
The way it looks though... I will be getting a full sailboat and screw the trailer.
So the research continues.
By the way ... if anybody knows where people anchor during those hurricanes passing by Tampa, please let me know.
thanks
01-14-2009 11:32 AM
Faster The main reason for dumping ballast is to trailer the boat, and perhaps to save some fuel while motoring, though I suspect that most leave the ballast in whenever afloat.

That said, assuming you're discussing the hybrid M26M/X, for similar money you can get a real nice real sailboat on the used market that will be a many-times-better liveaboard boat that will also happen to sail reasonably well.

Our son bought a nice Ranger 29 for the approximate cost of the 50 Hp motor found on these boats...... I'd much sooner live on that.
01-14-2009 10:45 AM
bubb2 Kommy, One would think that you would want to flush and refill the ballast water from time to time. Water that is in dark warm tanks over the summer can get nasty!!!
01-14-2009 10:35 AM
joethecobbler I'm not a fan of the 26 Mcgreg.. as they seem to be poor motorboats and worse sail. the interior is not that spacious and I would be concerned that the water ballast if left in the boat would "grow" some interesting biology.
There are several trailerable boats in the 25-30' range that don't have water ballast and are much better in many ways than the 26.
If constrained by financial considerations, the good news is now is a great time to buy a sailboat as many are becoming available due to the ecomomy .
Before the economy issue sailboats were cheap now they are almost paying to get rid of them ! I just sold a 24' bayliner Bucc for a couple hundred dollars just to be rid of it from my yard ! The guy wanted an inexpensive boat an I obliged. I still have the dual axle trailer for it, he didn't want it !
I thought it was worth more than the Boat!
The Bayliner Bucc's are extremely roomy and can be aquired for very little money. They are looked down upon by many sailors as they are not considered in the same catagory as Bene's and pearsons,etc.
However I found my 32' center cockpit at anchor in the same waters as many other boats worth 10-20 times as much and it didn't diminish the experience, keeping $20-100,000.00 in my pocket !
Actually, I was able to invest in the more important aspects of cruising-solar,generator,good dingy and motor,anchors, oven/stove,refrig,5cu. Ft. freezer,Icemaker,woodstove,Nav equip,radios,tv, and a host of other creature comforts.
I would guess it is probably a great ego boost sitting at anchor and cruising on a $100,000.00 or more boat. But when I traversed the northeast 2 years ago during the fall and met many cruisers/sailors w/ expensive boats many had limited creature comforts. No heat,no refrig,no generator, little or no enclosure for the cockpit. Not to mention the inconvenience of trying to locate ice every couple of days during the summer months.
My advice is buy a sound inexpensive boat in a size you can manage and spend money wisely after getting aboard . as you'll find that what you think you need will be different that what you actual use.
Have fun.
01-13-2009 05:15 PM
Kommy000 I'm still in the process of researching.
Seems like I find lots of macgregors in really good price, so was looking into that possibility too. I thought hey I can live on it and when hurricane comes here I can trailer it to my buddies house and wait it over there.
I also understand that it is not a true sailboat, that's why I haven't bought it yet. I also read some blogs about living aboard macgregor, so I know it could be done.
I also understand that I need to use its ballast to sail. I just didn't know if that boat can take it sitting water inside of it for a year at the doks or am I supossed to cycle the water once a month or something like that. Just a research...
01-13-2009 03:22 PM
N0NJY Can also rotate the air in your car tires, but it doesn't make a difference

If you have that boat in the water, then the ballast NEEDS to be filled. It's the only real weight to counter the mast and pressure from the sails.

I looked at a couple of those boats in my search for a "learning boat". I wound up with an older Macgregor Venture 25 instead - because it has a weighted keel and I don't really like the idea of a water ballast system on a boat, especially not a sail boat (after I did some research).

Couple of questions - where is your boat, and where do you plan to keep it for "years" since it's really a trailerable boat.

Rick
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