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01-20-2009 01:43 AM
scottyt i dont like mine

the seat is the quarter berth so no back rest
charts wont open up fully
the light above is in the wrong spot, esp if you lift the desk
the desk is flat you you have to lean over blocking the light
the desk wont open all the way

we use it as a table, but we have not left the bay yet so i just bring a water proof chart book to the helm if i need it. if i use the lap top its on my lap. i navigate by the seat of my pants at the helm, i look where we are and where i need to go and just go that direction. i guess in the spring when we plan to run the icw for a week or so it may change
01-18-2009 08:35 PM
Love it!!

The nav station is the most comfortable and probably the safest seat below while sailing. The two photos below show the nav. station and the chart storage (a real luxury) just behind it.

I will be forever grateful to the first owner who had the designer's plans modified in this area of the boat. He nixed the idea of two upholstered swivel chairs with a small table between, and a 18" deep chart table in lieu of the chart storage with work surface above, a nav. station chart table / work surface that will take 1/2 folded chart and a simple bench seat that's small enough to tightly wedge youself into on a heel.

The nav station faces aft. I agree with the points raised about it being good to have visual communication with the helmsman. Only problem I've found is that I used to confuse "port" and "starboard" when calling course changes to the helm, especially when working with radar piloting in tight quarters and the steering commands are "Come left 5 degrees"..... I solved the problem with the two pieces of white tape stuck to the top of the radar CRT (top photo). One says "Stbd", the other "Port" -- some visiting skippers have asked if I learned that in "Seamanship for Dummies".
01-18-2009 03:49 PM
Sequitur I love my nav station; it is my office, my communications centre and my refuge. I love to sit there in the evening planning and laying-out our next day, and in the morning it is a great place to sit with a cup of coffee while listening to the weather on the radios, looking at weather charts and tweaking the days plans.

As far as chart orientation is concerned, I am strictly a north-up guy. My training with paper charts as a Pilot in the Air Force and as a Navigating Officer in the Navy have left their marks. I know that jet fighters use head-up, but I didn't train on fighters. Also, in my mountaineering days, I always read the topo maps north-up. So for me, both on paper and on chart plotter, head-up and course-up are dis-orienting.
01-18-2009 01:26 PM
Originally Posted by bubb2 View Post

To keep this on a sailing theme, Have you ever been on a boat that the GPS is set to the "north up" course display. To me, I rather be water boarded.
I have to use North Up.
I get confused when useing track up and end up going around in circles.
01-18-2009 11:26 AM
deniseO30 Ok... so... who actually sits and plots on paper at their nav stations? I don't!

thanks everyone for making this an interesting thread!
01-18-2009 11:09 AM
soulesailor I love having an interior space to look at a paper chart. Paper gives such a nice view of an entire area...and who wants to be plugged in all the time, anyway???
01-18-2009 08:30 AM
PalmettoSailor My navigation experience started on land in the Army and one of the things we learned was orienting a map to the surface, first with a compass, then by terrain association. The point of the excercise was so that the depiction of things on the map were actually in relation to their true location on the ground. Later as a pilot, I learned to postion my paper chart "course up" so that identifiable points along the course appeared in the same direction out the window as they did on the chart. When GPS moving map came along with their "north up" default display, I found it terribly confusing. Setting the display to "course up" allows me to effortlessly maintain situational awareness. I'm sure there are human factors experts out there that could explain why that is, but for me, it is much less mentally taxing to have a moving map display with my course up. When plotting courses or taking bearings off a chart I have no problem with north up, or the conversions from "grid" to mag or the reverse.

As for my nav station, I was happy with the nav station on my O'day 322 (like Hillsters pic) and I am pretty happy with the nav station on my C36. I wouldn't mind some more shelf space but overall I really like the forward facing station. Later models turned the nav station facing outwards and I think I would lke that less.
01-18-2009 12:27 AM
poopdeckpappy Same with me, it's gotta be course up
01-17-2009 11:30 PM
Originally Posted by lbdavis View Post
I get lost if it's not "north up". I'd start running into things if the chart started spinning around!
My wife makes fun of me because, I couldn't do that.

To me the Gps needs to be set to "course up", If the chart kit is in the cockpit then it is rotated to correspond to the direction of the bow. This all matches what my eyes are seeing in front of me over the bow. To me it is 3 part Harmony!
01-17-2009 11:01 PM
Originally Posted by bubb2 View Post
Yes, doesn't everyone?

To keep this on a sailing theme, Have you ever been on a boat that the GPS is set to the "north up" course display. To me, I rather be water boarded.
I get lost if it's not "north up". I'd start running into things if the chart started spinning around!
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