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02-05-2009 08:03 AM
Rockter Metal bowl certainly will help defend against fire, but you cannot see your fuel clarity or contaminants.

Which is it to be?

Make your choice.
02-05-2009 07:32 AM
lynger1 Hi don't use electric pump on Yanmar the pump you have is e membrane when pressurizing before you're pump intake valve from pump will stay open and damage your membrane
here is a link for more details on Yanmar

02-05-2009 07:15 AM
r.furborough Although the Racor 500 series is grossly over rated for sail boat use, the advantage is it is a top loading filter and a filter can easily be replaced in few minutes, plus filter elements are widely available and comparatively cheap, a case of 12 can be purchased for cruising spares for $100.

When cruising, there is a chance of picking up bad fuel, trying to overcome this problem, far from the operating areas of the tow boat services and the US Coast Guard, the top loading filter is much easier to replace at sea while the boat is pitching and rolling. Even dual switchable filters cannot help for long in this situation.
02-05-2009 06:01 AM
sailingdog TxLngHrn—

Sounds like you've got a fair bit of water sitting in the bottom of your tank. That would be a good explanation for all the water showing up in the fuel/water separator and also why your fuel filters are clogging so quickly. Clean out the tank very thoroughly... and you should have far fewer problems.
02-04-2009 08:04 PM
bwindrope Michael,
Just to beat a dead horse, I think you've hit upon the winning formula. Once your tank is clean, and you are on a regular filter replacement schedule and are reasonably diligent about filtering your fuel as it goes into the tank, I don't think you will find the pressure gauge necessary. One was already installed on Aeolus, and I took it off and got rid of it because it was so unnecessary. Never budged. Seems to me a gauge is most useful if you like to live by the edge and wait for your vacuum to go up due to a plugged filter. Not cheap, and a pain to install. You might at least wait to install the gauge until you have done everything else and spin off your filter and see if it shows any sign of clogging.

I like risks more than most people, but not when it comes to safety gear on my boat. By not having the gauge, I don't have an excuse for laziness, so just consider my primary filter change as part of normal annual maintenance. I motor about 150 hours a year.

Again, best of luck and happy sailing.
02-04-2009 12:59 AM
TxLnghrn Thanks all for the feedback and advice. My decision is now made. Do my best effort at personal tank cleaning and fuel polishing. Keep the spin-on filters. Buy a pressure gauge. And probably most important, keep the unlimited towing and a large supply of cold adult beverages.

02-03-2009 11:20 PM
jason3317 Tx - I am going to admit that I considered upgrading to a turbine series (500,900), knowing that it was complete overkill from the 2GM20. Larger filtration area in the media, larger bowl, etc.

I ended up figuring that I could buy a lot of 120 spin-on filters for the $300 it would cost me to upgrade.

I empathize with you, cause I went down the same thought process here...but at the end of the day, I think you got a single batch of bad gas. Continue to use the Startron (great stuff) and keep an eye on the water bowl of the filter. Keep the 120 and spend the $$ on a vacumn guage!

02-03-2009 10:57 PM
Metal Bowl? Come on...

It is true that ABYC, even for diesels, expects a metal bowl on fuel filters. It is also true that it is outrageous that they want to charge you so much to see their regs. You can find the reference in Calder and Casey and other reference guides.

Now whether anyone does that, or agrees that it is necessary, is another thing. I've yet to discuss this with any of my sailing buddies and find one who follows that recommendation. My view is that my fuel filter is 2 feet away from my engine and right next to my fuel tank and fuel lines. If there is fire raging near enough and long enough to melt the bowl on my filter and ignite the diesel, then I'm already either dead or far away from my boat. Gasoline is one thing, my 80% biodiesel is quite another. If I'm dead, fine. If I'm far away, then fine, because there is enough wood and rubber and other combustibles on any boat to ensure total disintegration if a fire is burning in the engine compartment.

If someone gave me a metal bowl Racor would I use it? Sure. But for my time and money, I'm way better off replacing all the old crappy wiring, installing fuses and eliminating other fire hazards than replacing my Racor.

This argument is sort of like an argument over whether it is safe to walk down the street. Depends on the person. I realize ABYC feels they must take the high road, and I'm glad they do, as I follow them religiously on electrical and other things. But this one issue has always struck me as ridiculous.
02-03-2009 10:27 PM
ABYC standards unavailable online

I have read tha Canada Shipping Act regs as they apply to diesel and gas engine installations. They say that the filter must meet ABYC standard H24.5.7. ( by the way this seems to be an old standard as there are 2 or 3 supplements since 1975). But when I try to search for the ABYC standard, I find I can buy the appropriate section for $50 US. I am sure that not everybody installing a filter is following a reg that they have to pay $50 just to see! The filter in question is included in the West Marine catalog along with many others that apparently are not approved for use. If they want (demand) that you meet a standard they better make it available.
02-03-2009 07:26 PM
badsanta What I did when I had the same was to put a cheap electric universal fuel pump in the line after the filter. them added a 10 foot {as needed} fuel line to the fuel pump. Then pumped all the fuel out into 4- 5 gal fuel jugs. when all the fuel was out I put back about a gallion in the tank then put the extended fuel line into the tank fill and let it run, Wiggled the line to flush all the tank. replaced the filters and when it ran clean I refilled with new.
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