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02-18-2009 06:39 AM
39512 I do not see why the West method would not work. Unlike some of the beddings, a quick rap with a wooden mallet would probably break the base free. However, if there is constant loading of the top lifeline, the stanchion becomes a lever trying to break the base free. A somewhat more flexible bond might be desirable.

Sleeving the holes is also a good method with a stanchion base. G-10 tubes epoxied in does a number of good things for the deck.

Also, as mentioned in the West tutorial, use wax or polyvinyl alcohol (PVA) on fasteners if you are potting the bolts.
02-18-2009 06:37 AM
AllThumbs
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WEST SYSTEM | Use Guides - Bonding Hardware
Uhmm, they sell epoxy. Of course they are going to tell you it's the right stuff to use. First rule of thumb: Never take advice from anyone who is about to take your money.
02-18-2009 01:22 AM
sailingdog Don't use epoxy... use a good sealant... if it is deck hardware, butyl rubber tape works quite well. Available at most glaziers...

Also, pot any holes, as mitiempo said, if the deck is cored.

If you do the countersinking of the holes, you can tighten down the bolts completely, unlike what Billyruffin says... Most people can't hold the bolt steady enough and get good enough access to the nut to prevent them from breaking the sealant seal if they let it cure first. Remember to run the countersink bit in reverse so as not to take away too much fiberglass.
02-17-2009 05:46 PM
mitiempo
bedding hardware

A good idea is to drill a countersink in the glass for each bolt so that there is an "o-ring" around each bolt head. Do not use 5200 because this will pull off
gelcoat when (not if) the hardware is removed. 4200 is better, butly tape is the best in my opinion. Tighten the bolts once, as if you do it a second time, you can break the sealant bond. Step by step with pictures on Mainesail's site. If the deck is cored, be sure to pot the deck with epoxy to avoid future rot in the core. Extreme stickiness of 5200 is not needed, but ability of sealant to elongate as hardware moves is , and probably stanchions move more than most hardware.
02-17-2009 03:40 PM
billyruffn I second the comments about the bedding compound needing to be flexible so you keep the water out.

A tip for applying it: Apply the bedding compound to the areas as needed. In addition to the exterior edges of the fitting, I always put a circle of bedding compound around each of the fastner holes as well. Putting a little compound around the head of the fastner and on the inside surface of the washer won't hurt either.

With all the compound applied put the fitting in place and run the nuts onto the fastners getting them firmly in place but not as tight as you want then finally. Clean up the excess compound with an appropriate solvent and let the compound set up. By not tightening the fastners all the way down you won't squeeze all the compound out of the spaces between the fitting and the deck. Once the compound has set up, you can come back and torque the nuts down hard. With the compound set up, this second tightening compresses the compound and results in a better seal.
02-16-2009 07:49 PM
poopdeckpappy I don't think you want to be Bonding your hardware, you want it bedded really well

Bonding would almost guarrentee you'll be drilling out screws and removing a layer of glass should you ever want to replace some deck hdwr


Unless it's a epoxy based polysulfide caulk, that is a strong bond, but it is still a bedding not a bonding
02-16-2009 07:11 PM
voice3
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Originally Posted by sailingfool View Post
Whatever you read on the west Systems site you must be mis-remembering, it would be pure foolishness to epoxy hardware to a deck. Epoxy is not a sealant.
Here's the website:
WEST SYSTEM | Use Guides - Bonding Hardware
02-16-2009 07:05 PM
sailingfool
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Originally Posted by voice3 View Post
I'm looking for options for re-bedding a stanchion base. On West System's website it recommends bonding deck hardware with thickened epoxy instead of using polysulfide caulk. They claim this is a stronger and longer lasting water tight seal. Has anyone used this method for a stanchion base? If so, did it work well?
Thanks,
Matt
Whatever you read on the west Systems site you must be mis-remembering, it would be pure foolishness to epoxy hardware to a deck. Epoxy is not a sealant.
02-16-2009 06:55 PM
arf145 They really say that? And it's not even April 1. I don't get that at all. Reassembling hardware in wet epoxy? Sounds like a nightmare. Even assuming the result is watertight, it sounds like a forever sort of thing to me.

One nice thing about any flexible caulk is that should you ever want to remove the hardware, all you have to deal with is some bolt holes, the rest of the deck underneath will be unscathed. If I was shooting for something that I wanted forever, I'd look at 3M 5200 first.

But really, as baboon said caulk or butyl works well.
02-16-2009 06:25 PM
voice3
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Originally Posted by floatsome View Post
I use epoxy to build a flat base for deck hardware, not to seal the joint.
Yes, I know about this method. But West Systems recommends reassembling the hardware while the epoxy is still wet, causing all the hardware to be bonded. I've never heard of this method before, and was wondering if anyone has tried it.
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