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02-12-2013 05:43 PM
Lorilei
Re: Ray Richards Cheoy Lee 41 Offshore??

Thanks for the quick reply... Bill, I think it was? I was wondering if you could recall the name of the boat your friends bought and refitted? If you cannot recall the name perhaps you might recall the hull color? The boat I am trying to track was fairly distinctive. The timing is about right and she was at Nanny Cay in the late 80's into the 90's so there is a chance she might be the same one. She would not be the one you chartered. I know how she got there and I know where she is now. I am trying to fill in the blanks. Partly just out of curiosity and partly because, as I said, it might be fun to write about at some future date. If it happens to be the same boat it would be very interesting. I am a bit fascinated about the travels of some of these blue water boats from owner to owner and have been looking into the current whereabouts of several I remember from childhood. One was a 12 meter which was rescued from South Africa a few years back, restored and is back in Newport, RI. Another is a wooden schooner which is currently being restored very slowly up in Maine. One was scuttled at her owner's request after he died. One has disappeared without a trace other than a dinghy with her name on the transom. All very interesting stories. This is the "newest" boat on my list. Thanks for the help. L.
02-10-2013 02:24 PM
btrayfors
Re: Ray Richards Cheoy Lee 41 Offshore??

Lorilei,

I resemble that remark :-)

I actually chartered an Offshore 41 in Nanny Cay, Tortola in the 80's. Don't remember which year, but we had her for 3 weeks. Boat was named, "Serentil", I believe, and had an unlikely homeport on the stern, like "Boulder CO", or some such.

Nice boat, good performance.

There's been a liveaboard OS41 at my marina in Washington DC for the past 20 years or so. In fact, she just left a few weeks ago to go into a yard down the river for maintenance and ???

Only other OS42 I've run across over the years is the one I mentioned earlier. She was at Nanny Cay for quite awhile, and was bought by Tom ?? and his wife. He did a lot of work on her and, subsequently, sailed her to the South Pacific and on back to California.

Bill





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I know this is an old thread but I am hoping to contact someone who goes by "btrayfors" who posted on this thread early on some years ago. He said

"I also have some friends who several years ago bought one in Tortola, proceeded to do major structural improvements (like strengthening bulkheads), and sailed her to the South Pacific and back to Alaska and California."

in reference to a Cheoy Lee Offshore 41'. I am hoping he might remember a bit more about that boat or another CL O41 that was in Roadtown in the '90's. I am looking for information about a particular boat and her whereabouts over the last 20 years. It is purely for fun. Might someday be a writing project. If anyone here thinks they might know anything I would be happy to hear from you. Thanks.
02-10-2013 01:15 PM
pcwallace
Re: Ray Richards Cheoy Lee 41 Offshore??

Hi Don,

I owned a Richards 32 in the late 70's and loved that boat. Yes, there was a lot of maintenance, but it was a labor of love. I would not hesitate to buy a Cheoy Lee again.

However, in addition to the issues you've already heard about, be ware of the teak decks and wooden window frames.

Many of these boats, since they are now older, have leaky decks. The deck is a layer of fiberglass, then balsa core, then a layer of fiberglass. Over this is 5/8" teak planking. It's beautiful and, I think, one of the Cheoy Lee's finest traits.

But. . . as time goes by, you can get leaks around the screws holding the decking down. The water gets into the balsa and causes dry rot. It can be fixed, but add it into your budget. If you find this on your boat, lower your bid to accomodate the repair.

The windows are also notoriously leaky. If you see water stains on the teak around the windows on the interior watch out. You will at very least need to reseal the windows. At worse you could have to rip the layer of veneer off and replace it.

Otherwise, I love these boats. I missed out on a chance to buy one a couple of years ago and am still kicking myself.

Captain Penn
02-10-2013 12:19 PM
Lorilei
Re: Ray Richards Cheoy Lee 41 Offshore??

I know this is an old thread but I am hoping to contact someone who goes by "btrayfors" who posted on this thread early on some years ago. He said

"I also have some friends who several years ago bought one in Tortola, proceeded to do major structural improvements (like strengthening bulkheads), and sailed her to the South Pacific and back to Alaska and California."

in reference to a Cheoy Lee Offshore 41'. I am hoping he might remember a bit more about that boat or another CL O41 that was in Roadtown in the '90's. I am looking for information about a particular boat and her whereabouts over the last 20 years. It is purely for fun. Might someday be a writing project. If anyone here thinks they might know anything I would be happy to hear from you. Thanks.
02-18-2009 05:28 PM
RestlessWind Great overview, cdragon.
Two of the boats are listed on yachtworld;

YW# 3144-1775070 Located In Portsmouth, RI. 1977,sloop rigged, diesel repower in '06 w/49hp Phasor. older 1988 Hood mast. rigging is that old, too.

YW# 1704-2015978 in Long Beach, Ca. a 1979 ketch

The other one(the first to catch my eye) is a 1978 41' by the name of Spice Lady offered on the Cheoy Lee assn. website. This one has had the Teak decks replaced. Pics of the project in progress appear as though it was well-done. not sure about chainplates and deck hardware replacement.

Still thinking and looking.
02-18-2009 01:14 PM
cdragon Restless,
My family, then I owned a 1976 41 for about 15 years. I sailed the boat alot all over the place and spent alot of time in getting her "right" - to my standards I guess.
I loved the boat and at times, am sad that I no longer have her. They are very pretty as stated, apparently Cheoy Lee got tired of paying Rhodes royalties on the 40' Reliant and had their in house guy Richards create the 41 from the Reliant. The boats can vary alot, even though the boats were offered as stock with either ketch,sloop or yawl rigs-what I mean by vary is mostly in quality but also lots of strange things happened in those old Cheoy Lee yards. Some of the boats (I have known a few others) were well built, some had real problems-typical of those days in those yards-quality and detailing wildly different. For instance, I always felt my boat had a small rudder and that she required alot of helming at times-sure enough, I measured the rudder on another 41 in a yard and mine was short. Sounds crazy as there ought to be a simple mold for a rudder, but who knows what they were doing-I ended up adding to my rudder about 12" and it improved tracking and pointing immensely.
But, without writing a novel about my beloved Cheoy Lee-what to look for when buying? First off, and especially as the boats are now about 30 years old-you have to see how much of the "chinese" has been replaced-by that I mean the wiring (my original 12 v ground was all the ground wires behind the panel bundled up and soldered together...!), the plumbing-rotted old copper pipe etc, the deck hardware-Cheoy Lee "stainless" is legendary, the leaky teak decks, old wooden masts etc etc. When I sold her after all those years and a few trips to the West Indies and back etc, the teak decks had been removed, toerails removed (talk about chinese SS-nearly every bolt was wasted to near nothing), glassed the decks and hull to deck to cove stripe, toerails replaced (should have done it differently-another story), all stanchion bases and stanchions replaced, new (and fewer) jib tracks, blocks winches etc (no Cheoy Lee stuff at all), Aluminum rigs with new standing rigging, new sails (of course), proper windlass, removed and rebedded (but used the massive cheoy lee bronze portlights) all portlights and hatches (used wooden hatches too after rebuilding), painted out alot of the exessive varnish, black imron topsides, bigger rudder, feathering prop, nearly completely rewired, replumbed , repowered - the engine in the bilge is a problem-nice for weight and room below but even a little water in the bilge and you can soak the starter on a perkins-went thru several starters. My boat balways had a mysterious leak or leaks too... The interior is quite unique and roomy-great aft cabin, decent head, decent galley, the huge round table. Some boats had a nicely finished forepeak, some simple like mine. I removed the hanging locker by the port quarterberths and built a decent nav station in its place.
I know of one boat personally that had some pretty big problems with the deck lifting in breeze and the boat moving like crazy-they ended up rebonding alot of the boat and I think it worked well. I had a big problem with oilcanning in the forward sections and ended up adding 1/2"" balsa and biaxial glass over in those large unsupported areas-it worked well. everyone always talks about "how strong" the older solid glass boats are, but that can vary as well-layup schedules and stuff were pretty loose I think (understatement)-more like a bunch of laborers with rolls of fabric and buckets of resin-some of the glasswork on the the boats is overbuilt and bulletproof and some is astonishingly thin-again alot of differences in quality from boat to boat.
The boats sail pretty well all in all-I did alot with my boat to get her going better upwind-rigs, sails, rudder, deck layout etc, and still she was no upwind machine of course, but was much better-we could tack through 100 degrees and maybe less at times. Beam reaching is pretty sweet, the tumblehome goes down and she can really go-had very close to a 200 mile day once and many good fast 150+ miles days offshore when the boat was very happy. Mine was a ketch and I used a mizzen staysail and cruising spinnaker with good success. 135% furling genoa or 95% jib in tradewinds.
I suppose I have written enough already-happy to answer any specific questions you have-I wonder what boat you are looking at? All in all they can be pretty great cruising boats or they can be a repair and maintenance nightmare-depends on the boat and where you enter into her "chinese equipment removal" cycle. Several of the boats have done alot of sailing-mine a bit, another I knew circumnavigated over 5 years and they loved their boat, etc so they can do the job in the right hands - Good Luck!
02-17-2009 06:17 PM
RestlessWind That's what I had heard somewhere, but have been unable to confirm?
02-17-2009 03:59 PM
AjariBonten Weren't they originally built with cast iron tankage? That's an upgrade I would anticipate making if it hasn't been done.

Though I could be mis-remembering from another manufacturer.
02-17-2009 02:59 PM
RestlessWind Thank you Mdidriksen and Sahara... excellent information and perspectives.
What can you tell me about original tankage and keel/ballast. Are there any special concerns here?
02-15-2009 07:19 PM
sahara One thing I forgot to mention, which I view as an enormous positive for the boat, was the great number of opening ports and Dorade vents, making the interior very well ventilated relative to many if not most other boats her size.

Ours had some fairly cumbersome teak framed bug screens for the opening ports. They worked well, but were a pain to stow and were bulky.
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