SailNet Community - Reply to Topic

   Search Sailnet:

 forums  store  


Quick Menu
Forums           
Articles          
Galleries        
Boat Reviews  
Classifieds     
Search SailNet 
Boat Search (new)

Shop the
SailNet Store
Anchor Locker
Boatbuilding & Repair
Charts
Clothing
Electrical
Electronics
Engine
Hatches and Portlights
Interior And Galley
Maintenance
Marine Electronics
Navigation
Other Items
Plumbing and Pumps
Rigging
Safety
Sailing Hardware
Trailer & Watersports
Clearance Items

Advertise Here






Go Back   SailNet Community > General Interest > General Discussion (sailing related) > Hunter Factory Tour! (Lots O Pics)
 Not a Member? 


Thread: Hunter Factory Tour! (Lots O Pics) Reply to Thread
Title:
  

By choosing to post the reply below you agree to the rules you agreed to when joining Sailnet.
Click Here to view those rules.

Message:
Trackback:
Send Trackbacks to (Separate multiple URLs with spaces) :
Post Icons
You may choose an icon for your message from the following list:
 

Register Now

In order to be able to post messages on the SailNet Community forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.
Please note: After entering 3 characters a list of Usernames already in use will appear and the list will disappear once a valid Username is entered.
User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.
Password:
Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.
Email Address:

Log-in

Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.



Click here to view the posting rules you are bound to when clicking the
'Submit Reply' button below


Additional Options
Miscellaneous Options

Click here to view the posting rules you are bound to when clicking the
'Submit Reply' button below


Topic Review (Newest First)
03-13-2009 05:26 PM
KeelHaulin
Quote:
Originally Posted by Brezzin View Post
Take a look at those pictures. The Balsa core is laid up in 4"x4" blocks. Each block is laid up with the grain in an alternating direction from it's neighbor. In addition each block is individually sealed. The benefit here is that if hull leakage does occur the moisture won't wick over a large area and the balsa won't rot because it's been sealed. Why a cored hull in the first place? Insulation, stiffening and weight reduction. Personally I think hunter has done a good job with the cored hulls.
Well it's no different that it has been done since the '60s; balsa core is made by gluing rectangular sticks of balsa into a big block and then slicing it across the grain. My '79 has decks that are cored and it looks exactly the same from underneath as what is shown in the side of the Hunter. While end-grain balsa can reduce the potential for core-rot it does not stop it and unfortunately once balsa gets wet it decays more rapidly because it has very low density (it's mostly air to begin with). When a core gets wet or has delaminated if it is not noticed early it will spread regardless of the fact that it is end-grain wood. Spongy decks are easy to spot; is a soft spot on the hull as easy to detect?

I would prefer a boat not to be cored anywhere in the hull; but if I wanted a new racer/cruiser and it is built with coring I think I would want an Airex core or whatever the latest and most resilient core material is.
03-13-2009 11:01 AM
Brezzin Take a look at those pictures. The Balsa core is laid up in 4"x4" blocks. Each block is laid up with the grain in an alternating direction from it's neighbor. In addition each block is individually sealed. The benefit here is that if hull leakage does occur the moisture won't wick over a large area and the balsa won't rot because it's been sealed. Why a cored hull in the first place? Insulation, stiffening and weight reduction. Personally I think hunter has done a good job with the cored hulls.
03-13-2009 10:46 AM
k1vsk
Quote:
Originally Posted by KeelHaulin View Post
The concerns with moisture getting in or crush damage from hitting a dock or pile is high on boats constructed with cored hulls. With the way these boats are constructed; how would you deal with core replacement?

I guess your preference for steel hulls is showing as there are very, very few FRP boats made these days with solid core topsides. Bur then, repairing a damaged section of steel would be harder still.

Replacing a damaged core section on a cored hull would be equivalent to that done on a cored deck - something I suspect you already know... and these typre repairs are usually stronger than the original build.
03-13-2009 08:13 AM
KeelHaulin
Quote:
Originally Posted by eMKay View Post
Well, on the hull there is no hardware or through-hulls in the balsa, it's above the waterline.
Look again eMKay... Based on the layup photo don't think those portlights in the hull are through solid FRP.

k1vsk- Any portion of the boat below the deck joint is considered the "hull"; so yes the hull is partially balsa cored. The concerns with moisture getting in or crush damage from hitting a dock or pile is high on boats constructed with cored hulls. With the way these boats are constructed; how would you deal with core replacement? It looks to me like you would have to cut the outer hull away and re-glass it on as if you were re-coring a deck. But I don't think I would trust that type of repair to a hull.
03-11-2009 12:31 AM
NCC320 Reference my previous post on this thread regarding Hunter and Caliber:

The beginning post seems to me to show some good work by Hunter and I think that the other production boats also have good work. (If they didn't do most of what they do correctly, including keeping costs and selling price in line, Hunter, Catalina, and Beneteau wouldn't be the largest producers. i.e., if you get it right, you stay in business and grow, get it wrong for very long and you're gone).

As to the Caliber boats. As far as I know, they are fine boats and I've never heard anything negative about them. And with the large tankage and rugged construction, they seem well suited for long distance sailing. As to having internal ballast, one could argue that this is a more expensive and better way to do things vs. a bolt on keel. While I don't like the idea of steel pellets, the same approach with lead pellets would seem to be fine. I guess they never have problems with leaking keel bolts either.

As some others said, every boat is a compromise and every owner's needs are a little different. It just seems a shame that one's pride and joy has to get trashed by others. If you've bought a boat, small or large, production or custom, old or new, it really can take the edge off your pleasure to have people trash it.
03-10-2009 10:13 PM
scottbr
Quote:
Originally Posted by Brezzin View Post
I chalk it more up to marketing/webmasters not keeping up with the design decisions. Is it right? no, but then I didn't buy off of the web I bought from a dealer that explained all of the different options and changes.

This is how they describe it on the website ... no mention of material used in the keel...

• HKT Kevlar Hull Reinforcement
• Hull, FRP/ Balsa Sandwich Above
Waterline, Solid FRP bottom
• Hull, Structural Grid Reinforcement
• Keel, Shoal Draft
03-10-2009 09:56 PM
scottbr
Quote:
Originally Posted by sailordave View Post
Great photo essay and lots of good material for newbies.....

But they shore 'nuff are an UGLY boat.

I was going to say it was good to see a positive thread on Hunters but someone had to be an a$%......... looked in the mirror lately ???
03-10-2009 07:43 PM
Brezzin
Quote:
Originally Posted by k1vsk View Post
sounds like another Hunter myth.
This is how Hunter describes the keel:

"Keel, Antimonious Lead w/Stainless Bolts, Shoal Draft"
I chalk it more up to marketing/webmasters not keeping up with the design decisions. Is it right? no, but then I didn't buy off of the web I bought from a dealer that explained all of the different options and changes.
03-10-2009 07:12 PM
k1vsk The prior post is absolutely correct. What we seem to have here is another demonstration of human nature to either a. criticize something other than what you have to preclude self-doubt in some folks minds they made the wrong choice, or b. the desire to sound authoritative by the act of criticism.

Case in point - the example of a Hylas 46 as something above criticism - we had one and the anchor locker, chafe protection and overall design of the bow area was terrible and almost lead to destruction of the boat.

No boat is perfect. For all the fans of masthead rigged, full keel, solid glass, small cockpit, skeg-hung rudder boats, most of the racing crowd thinks they are nuts.
03-10-2009 06:09 PM
Melrna
Quote:
Originally Posted by NCC320 View Post
Great Post.... At the bottom of this tread, there is a link to a review of the Caliber plant. I found out they weren't any good either...too many corners cut. What to do...where can I find a good boat without buying a has been from the seventies, or spending a fortune for a Hylas 46, or may be a Island Packet 45 or a ?. .

I wrote up the Caliber factory tour. As stated I really like the boat and how it is made. While some here may argue about some of the short cuts, I don't see them as short cuts. You couldn't give me an IP for example. My point here and as stated over and over, over and over again different boats for different folks. There is no perfect boat out there except maybe for Alex's boat ( except he couldn't sail it in the Florida waters, the Bahamas without running aground). Each and every boat has compromises depending on the designer and owners needs.
This thread has more than 10 replies. Click here to review the whole thread.

 
Posting Rules
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may post attachments
You may edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 10:58 PM.

Add to My Yahoo!         
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
SEO by vBSEO 3.6.1
(c) Marine.com LLC 2000-2012

The SailNet.com store is owned and operated by a company independent of the SailNet.com forum. You are now leaving the SailNet forum. Click OK to continue or Cancel to return to the SailNet forum.