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03-26-2009 06:12 PM
scottbr flyingwelshman check out the Lake Huron threads under the Destinations section of this forum. Lots of pictures and discussions on the North Channel.
03-26-2009 05:04 PM
surftom
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Tom, the offer still stands if you want to get together in the srping some time to go over he charts for a few great family-oriented anchorages. I'll probably start going up early April, if the ice ever goes. You can PM me through this site.

Have you been reading up on the Ports book? ..... keep studying.
Absolutely! Yes to all of the above!

I'll PM you sometime in April and would love to meet

Tom
03-26-2009 04:23 PM
scottbr Tom, the offer still stands if you want to get together in the srping some time to go over he charts for a few great family-oriented anchorages. I'll probably start going up early April, if the ice ever goes. You can PM me through this site.

Have you been reading up on the Ports book? ..... keep studying.
03-26-2009 02:53 PM
surftom Wow - great thread, guys - I might be right behind you!
We are moving from Lake Ontario to Midland this year (Bayport) and will have the boat there +/- April 20th

Tom
(also in a Nash 26)
03-26-2009 09:38 AM
patrickrea
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Oh and Dave, don't worry, we're really not fighting here, I talk to Patrick all the time on this and another forum. We just like to keep each other on our toes.
Yup, it's true! Makes it much more funner!
03-26-2009 09:33 AM
scottbr
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Hey ScottB

I'm not just a stinkpotter up there. I used to cruise around on a Shark and a Hobie 18. My brother and I used to sail to Midland for pizza, me in a Laser and him on a windsurfer!

Unless the Tomb and Cedar Point are having that big an effect, I have to disagree on the winds. They used to be more out of the W and WNW but have shifted more WSW in past years. In terms of strength, I don't know what's happening. Here in Toronto, winds seem higher than they have in past. At the cottage, they seem lighter. We used to get (more than 15 years ago) some really good 3 day blows (sustained winds over kn) at least 4 or 5 times per summer; not anymore. We also don't seem to get a sea breeze effect anymore. It used to be you could count on it. Our Saturday morning races would have ghosting starts but by the time you started your final beat to the finish it would be blowing 10-15. Shifting high pressure systems?

The reason I was recommending the outside route was Dave's objective for the trip is to spend time with friends IN Killarney, not getting to Killarney. Otherwise the inside route is the way to go. I love the ability to pop around into almost any little bay and be able to drop the hook, swim and fish. Real fishing; muskie, bass, pike and pickerel (walleye to the US).

In terms of depth, I have also been watching the lake levels. Not just for sail but for power as well as it affects my fishing holes . The Bertam draws only 2' (3'6" at speed) and the outboards (both of em) need only 2'6" at speed, but the Northstar draws 5'3" unloaded. I like to give her 6'.

Waves at O'Donnels Point are on a direct line from Huron and their size IS in direct relation to the combined fetch of Lake Huron and Georgian bay. It's like that old experiment of light going through a pinhole. As the waves pass through, they expand concentrically outwards. It just happens that as the wind is blowing at the same time, it will force the waves back to their original direction.


Ok, I'll concede the prevailing winds for now. I know in the past the prevailing was from the NW, but have not tracked it lately to see what the pattern has been. Usually I check the forecast for the next 24 hours and pick Hope, Beckwith East, Beckwith West or Christian for the weekend jaunts depending on the evening conditions.

I can see your point on the waves to some extent. It doesn't look like the waves would /could get through there, but Huron has a long fetch straight through from Tobermory.


I was talking about the inner channel only because you stated that it was for small powerboats only. I was in the town of Killarney on our second night out, first night Kilbear, second from Kilbear to Pointe au Baril in the channel and straight over to Killarney at 6 knots under sail, all the way and my boat will power at 6.5 knots easily. That day was 14 hours on the water.

The trip will all depend on the speed of the boat, how much he sails vs. motors and of course wind and bad weather.

I thought the Northstar was in Lake Ontario, not that many rocky channels down there..

Oh and Dave, don't worry, we're really not fighting here, I talk to Patrick all the time on this and another forum. We just like to keep each other on our toes.
03-26-2009 02:28 AM
patrickrea Hey ScottB

I'm not just a stinkpotter up there. I used to cruise around on a Shark and a Hobie 18. My brother and I used to sail to Midland for pizza, me in a Laser and him on a windsurfer!

Unless the Tomb and Cedar Point are having that big an effect, I have to disagree on the winds. They used to be more out of the W and WNW but have shifted more WSW in past years. In terms of strength, I don't know what's happening. Here in Toronto, winds seem higher than they have in past. At the cottage, they seem lighter. We used to get (more than 15 years ago) some really good 3 day blows (sustained winds over 25kn) at least 4 or 5 times per summer; not anymore. We also don't seem to get a seabreeze effect anymore. It used to be you could count on it. Our Saturday morning races would have ghosting starts but by the time you started your final beat to the finish it would be blowing 10-15. Shifting high pressure systems?

The reason I was recommending the outside route was Dave's objective for the trip is to spend time with friends IN Killarney, not getting to Killarney. Otherwise the inside route is the way to go. I love the ability to pop around into almost any little bay and be able to drop the hook, swim and fish. Real fishing; muskie, bass, pike and pickerel (walleye to the US).

In terms of depth, I have also been watching the lake levels. Not just for sail but for power as well as it affects my fishing holes . The Bertam draws only 2' (3'6" at speed) and the outboards (both of em) need only 2'6" at speed, but the Northstar draws 5'3" unloaded. I like to give her 6'.

Waves at O'Donnels Point are on a direct line from Huron and their size IS in direct relation to the combined fetch of Lake Huron and Georgian bay. It's like that old experiment of light going through a pinhole. As the waves pass through, they expand concentrically outwards. It just happens that as the wind is blowing at the same time, it will force the waves back to their original direction.
03-25-2009 11:47 PM
flyingwelshman
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Dave, if you up to 2203, you'll have most of what you'll need. 2204, 2205, will cover you into Killarney and just beyond. You'll also want to get the larger charts 2244, 2245 and 2235 if you're headed over to Manitoulin. I would also reccomend getting the overall chart of Georgain Bay if you don't have it already. It gives you a good overall view of how all the charts tie together and also has some of the banks and shoals that aren't covered in the other charts esp. in the NW corner of the bay.

If you don't have the Ports book yet, get one..... it will save you a ton of time and worry on locations to anchor, pump out, restock, etc. etc. It sure made our trip a lot simpler.



If you want, I would be happy to meet with you sometime in April / May before you leave to talk more on the trip. I'll be up either prepping for launch or working on the "spring list."
Scott, it would be great to meet with you.

I live in Barrie and expect to be up to Midland quite a bit over the next little while. I am hoping to launch early this year (late April - early May - fingers crossed).

Maybe I could sail up and we could meet at the Dock Lunch (when does it open?) sometime in May.

I'll PM you when it gets closer to the time.

Talk to you soon

Dave
03-25-2009 10:14 PM
scottbr Dave, if you up to 2203, you'll have most of what you'll need. 2204, 2205, will cover you into Killarney and just beyond. You'll also want to get the larger charts 2244, 2245 and 2235 if you're headed over to Manitoulin. I would also reccomend getting the overall chart of Georgain Bay if you don't have it already. It gives you a good overall view of how all the charts tie together and also has some of the banks and shoals that aren't covered in the other charts esp. in the NW corner of the bay.

If you don't have the Ports book yet, get one..... it will save you a ton of time and worry on locations to anchor, pump out, restock, etc. etc. It sure made our trip a lot simpler.



If you want, I would be happy to meet with you sometime in April / May before you leave to talk more on the trip. I'll be up either prepping for launch or working on the "spring list."
03-25-2009 09:57 PM
scottbr Patrick...... see my alternate opinion in bold......



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All of this depends on the wind.

Shouldn't be a problem if you take the outside route. The inside route is for small power boats.

Limiting depth on the small craft route is 6 ft. at datum. We are currently at chart datum and predicted to be between 8" - 24" above datum late June / early July. I've been from top to bottom of the small craft route with a 5 ft. draft and have seen sail boats bigger than mine along the way.


The distance is roughly 105nm depending on routing. If you can figure that you'll average a very conservative 4knots with prevailing south westerlies,

Prevailing winds are West or North west

then it should be roughly a 26 hour sail. This is based on a very direct offshore routing, west of Giant's Tomb, west side of the Watchers, east side of North and Long Island, east of Papoose Island. Great water the whole way AS LONG AS you stay east of North and Long islands. Be advised, you could be in for some serious swells coming off of Lake Huron if we get any sort of sustained (3 days) high (15knots+) winds from the west.

You'll never get swells from Lake Huron coming into Georgian Bay. Tobermory to Manitoulin are too close together to let swells have any major influence on the Bay. Any large waves you see on Georgian Bay are from the size of the bay itself.... and they will build


This would be outside the normal pattern though.

As a 2 week trip, it's more than doable. I would allow for 3 days of passage each way which would give a week with your friends.

Have fun!
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