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04-22-2013 12:19 AM
lavidanueva
Re: A Discussion of the Philosophies of Cruising and Circumnavigating

Life is short and then it is too late. Go early, don't worry about having the biggest and the most, someone always has something bigger and grander. If that is what you are about forget sailing and devote your life to building a big inheritance for your grandchildren. Maybe they will have the wisdom to live life fully. You can find a yacht that will work for you, esp in this soft market. Sometimes the extra toys leave you in the repair business instead of the adventure business. A lot of people wished they had gone cruising, and you can be one of those.
10-02-2012 10:16 PM
smackdaddy
Re: A Discussion of the Philosophies of Cruising and Circumnavigating

I own my current boats outright. But I'll most likely borrow for our ocean boat. Doesn't bother me a bit.
10-02-2012 07:25 PM
tdw
Re: A Discussion of the Philosophies of Cruising and Circumnavigating

I'd find it rather strange to set off around the world or on a life of full time cruising in a boat that was not owned outright and I am not at all in favour of borrowing money to buy a boat. However if all you plan is to weekend sail and maybe an annual holiday cruise or alternatively liveaboard but maintain full time employment then why on earth would you not consider borrowing to buy boat ?
10-02-2012 06:37 PM
Brent Swain
Re: A Discussion of the Philosophies of Cruising and Circumnavigating

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Originally Posted by barefootnavigator View Post
Hey guys, I'm 44 and have been a constant on the water front since 1986 ie a long time. I see a very interesting trend in boat size and equipment. Its been my experience that almost all of the big fancy boats with all the fancy new must have "safety equipment" Are all financed, ie the bank owns them. The smaller less equipped boats tend to be owned and maintained by the sailor. If you have time payments on your boat its because you cant afford it. For allot of us sailing represent freedom and freedom comes with a price. I have owned 11 boats since I was 18 and payed cash for every one. So my question is how many of you own your boats? Some people might not understand this but if you are making payments you don't own your boat, the bank does. The whole point of this question is that allot of people here seem to think you have to be a consumer to be a voyager when infact its the opposite.
I have never paid a penny of direct bank interest in my life, and have always owned outright any boat I have ever had.
09-28-2012 09:04 PM
xort
Re: A Discussion of the Philosophies of Cruising and Circumnavigating

Different strokes for different folks
09-28-2012 06:57 PM
barefootnavigator
Re: A Discussion of the Philosophies of Cruising and Circumnavigating

Hey guys, I'm 44 and have been a constant on the water front since 1986 ie a long time. I see a very interesting trend in boat size and equipment. Its been my experience that almost all of the big fancy boats with all the fancy new must have "safety equipment" Are all financed, ie the bank owns them. The smaller less equipped boats tend to be owned and maintained by the sailor. If you have time payments on your boat its because you cant afford it. For allot of us sailing represent freedom and freedom comes with a price. I have owned 11 boats since I was 18 and payed cash for every one. So my question is how many of you own your boats? Some people might not understand this but if you are making payments you don't own your boat, the bank does. The whole point of this question is that allot of people here seem to think you have to be a consumer to be a voyager when infact its the opposite.
07-07-2012 08:23 PM
Brent Swain
Re: A Discussion of the Philosophies of Cruising and Circumnavigating

As a kid, I was delivering papers in Saskatchewan in minus 40 weather, to people who obviously hated their lives, and had one I wanted nothing to do with, when I read an article about a couple who sold a small logging outfit , built a boat, and cruised the South Pacific.
"THATS IT" I thought, and the die was cast.
After finishing school , the main focus was getting a boat and heading out. A year later I bought a 36 ft ferro hull, finished her off, and at the ripe old age of 23, I headed, single handed, for New Zealand, green as a cucumber, with some pretty funky gear. I noticed that those who took longer than three years to get some enjoyment out of their project, were far less likely to ever go. Freinds, who insisted on nothing but the best, never made it. That was my first boat. By the time she hit the water, I wished I had done everything different. She was a 36 footer, far larger than I needed. As I worked for tiny Kiwi wages, I began to envy the guys in the 30 footers, as life seemed far simpler for them.On my second boat, it took 8 years before I reached that point. On my current and third boat, a 31 ft steel twin keeler, after 28 years, there is little I would do differently. I have always made quickly getting out cruising, and off the land, my main focus, then adding and embellishing later, as funds allowed. I always started out with Kerosene lamps, then wired my current boat, my first boat with any kind of electrical system, over time, while cruising, as needed. Ditto most electriclal equipment.
I have made many Pacific crossings, and cruised almost all the South Pacific Islands which have ever interested me, as well as cruising 11 months a year on the BC coast since my mid 20's. I cant think of any other lifestyle which would let me semi retire in my mid 20s, on only a labourers earning power. I can't think of any other comfortable lifestyle with as as low an environmental footprint, your environmental footprint being porportionate to how much money you spend. If I had to do it all over again, I would't choose to live my life any differently. I envy no one.
Now, over many decades, I have accumulated all the gear I was planning to buy, when I won the lottery, without having to give up much free time to get it. Glad I didnt wait for it, before going cruising..
07-07-2012 06:33 PM
melee401
Re: A Discussion of the Philosophies of Cruising and Circumnavigating

Radar, no radar, AIS etc. and some questions here.
OK so you are doing a trans an crossing from W to E from anywhere USA to Anywhere EU.
Smallish boat like 30-35 feet whatever.
If your path of sail is not along a major shipping lane then why once you are a few days out would anyone lose sleep over not having a radar or AIS?
I mean c'mon, if your that lucky to be run over in the dead of night 140 miles out and on a heading not for a major shipping lane your lottery payoffs by now should have at least allowed you to do it in grande style,,,,,like a 110' Perini with a crew to stand watch.
Barometers still work in this digital age and so too do RF rigs. A fully opened up Icon 706MKII or one sold outside the US with a decent antenna tuner can provide boatloads of fun and information and double as a primary VHF rig too.
I guess after logging well over that proverbial 10K on the sea I am still missing something here.
05-22-2012 10:09 PM
Me Tarzan
Re: A Discussion of the Philosophies of Cruising and Circumnavigating

Thanks to everyone who participated in this most excellent thread! A good read from start to finish.
11-23-2011 08:12 AM
jameswilson29 I consider myself to be a typical, casual, weekend sailor on the Chesapeake Bay, who enjoys the occasional extended cruise. I have crewed on other people's racing boats. I have spent as much as 9 consecutive days cruising aboard a small sailboat and have done a coastal hop from Cape May, NJ, to Cape Charles, VA. I doubt I would ever circumnavigate as I have to work for a living and support a family. I would like to do more extended coastal cruising and perhaps sail to Bermuda one day.

My sailing philosphy is KISS (Keep it Simple Sailor) and MOTB (Master of the Basics). I find it challenging just to maintain and control the basic systems on a relatively small sailboat, particularly while singlehanding. I am amazed at folks who will venture out in large sailboats that depend on technology, electronics, and extensive mechanical devices to function. I like the natural, romantic, poetic ideal of sailing, the way folks sailed 50 or 100 years ago - celestial navigation, oil lamps, mechanical self-steering, no refrigeration, no reliance on the engine or a generator, and certainly no GPS, roller furling, computerized mapping, etc (I do use a compass, navigation lights, inboard diesel, depth gauge and speedo).

I believe a sailor should still be able to handle his boat after all the modern technological devices and systems have broken down. It seems as if many of the problems we read about on sailnet involve sailors who are not able to do this because of their reliance on technology, complex systems, and convenience/comfort items.
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