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04-11-2009 07:20 PM
tommays The first 100 hulls are Pre-Scrimp and require more corrector weights to be class legal

BUT the most raced J80 #19 RUMOR with the best record is also and early hull and it travels all over the place buy trailer (i race against the owner)

Both boats that lost keels were wet sailed

The Scrimp thing has NOT been trouble free
04-11-2009 07:13 AM
GoslingNY
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Originally Posted by smackdaddy View Post
I don't get it Giu.

Val - so both the failures were in the first 25? It would be nice to know what modifications they made. JeffH - any ideas?

BobM - multis are the safest boats on the planet. Everyone knows that. You don't even have to wear pfds on those things! Obviously you've found some photoshopped monos.
Both boats were pre Scrimp construction, to the best of my knowledge.

Cheers,

MikeR
04-06-2009 08:42 AM
tommays Dan

I did not buy a J80 because it was to much money and it would have been and older boat if i did

BUT with 3 friends racing them out of my area it bothers me a LOT

J80 #19 Rumor is a local boat and an older hull with the best race record on the east coast winning Key West Race Week many times including 2009

And there are a few others about 1/2 are dry sailed and 1/2 left in the water


J80 #21, Skillagalee which is LIS sailboat with and original owner has been left holding the bag one year later with a pretty much totaled sailboat ,How much do you beat up a sailboat racing on LIS ?

J80 #45 Heatwave is still capsized and floating in the Pacific waiting to drift to the rocks
04-06-2009 12:35 AM
smackdaddy I don't get it Giu.

Val - so both the failures were in the first 25? It would be nice to know what modifications they made. JeffH - any ideas?

BobM - multis are the safest boats on the planet. Everyone knows that. You don't even have to wear pfds on those things! Obviously you've found some photoshopped monos.
04-05-2009 11:36 PM
Giulietta No comments!!

Really..no comments....

Just happy with my choices...I really am
04-05-2009 11:29 PM
danielgoldberg
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Originally Posted by tommays View Post
I gotta say we were really close to springing big time for a J80 becasue it has so much more room and would be really unhappy right now if i had spent the extra 35K over the J24
So, whatcha gonna do? What's the repair cost? And who is your J dealer by the way? McMichael's by chance?
04-04-2009 08:38 PM
bobmcgov
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Originally Posted by sailingdog View Post
This is one reason I have a multihull... No stinking keels to fall off.
Oh yeah. What could possibly go wrong?



04-04-2009 03:04 PM
Valiente This is very odd that I should see this thread, because I was talking to an experienced race guy at our club about J/80s a couple of days ago. He said something about the two J/80s that had catastrophic keel failures being in the tranche of the first 25 made, and that after that, some sort of structural enhancement was made to ensure that failure on all subsequent J/80s was less likely.

That's the gist of what he said, and I don't know where he heard it, but he's not a teller of tales out of school, and he doesn't currently own a boat (he co-owned a J/35 for a few years, but is currently boatless and doesn't have a Tartanesque axe to grind, as far as I know).
04-03-2009 09:47 AM
tommays

My flip side to this is a boat like Zzzoom i race on 1970 C&C 35 with a 7' custom keel

Allways raced hardcore buy the orginal owner who had the keel,rudder and double spreader rig done and the current long term owner has done 270 races in the boat with a lot of distance stuff over a now 39 year time frame



I gotta say we were really close to springing big time for a J80 becasue it has so much more room and would be really unhappy right now if i had spent the extra 35K over the J24
04-03-2009 09:04 AM
sailingdog That is rather disturbing. The keel should be engineered to withstand the forces caused by gybing the boat, even accidentally in high winds. That is an event that is not only common, but almost inevitable on any boat sailed in heavy weather and higher winds.

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Act Three: hired my own surveyor. Believe it or not, I just received his report on Monday. He performed core samples in area of keel, and found 1) "fiberglass and balsa core to be perfectly intact showing no sign of water intrusion and no delamination between inner and outer laminates", and 2) very low moisture detected by Tramix moisture meter anywhere in hull. Bottom line: "catastrophic fiberglass failure due to rapid athwart ship pressure from two high speed jibes that accidently occurred in heavy wind... THIS LOSS WAS NOT DUE TO NEGLECT OR LONG TERM DELAMINATION.
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