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04-05-2009 08:59 AM
CBinRI
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Originally Posted by danielgoldberg View Post
Not so sure I agree with that. You need to deal with the seams and bungs as a regular maintenance issue every year, at a minimum. And they are easier to damage (dropped winch handle, anchor, etc.) and the fix for that is more involved.
Perhaps I should have anwered not much, yet. When problems pop up, obviously you need to deal with them.
04-05-2009 08:50 AM
danielgoldberg
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Originally Posted by CBinRI View Post
Other than that, not so much. Remember that it is not the kind of teak that you are varnishing or oiling. I wash it with water, boat soap and a bit of cascade two or three times a year.
Not so sure I agree with that. You need to deal with the seams and bungs as a regular maintenance issue every year, at a minimum. And they are easier to damage (dropped winch handle, anchor, etc.) and the fix for that is more involved.
04-05-2009 08:41 AM
CBinRI
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Originally Posted by FrancoC View Post
What about all the teak on the deck? Does it take a lot more maintenance than a fiberglass deck?
When it comes time to replace it, it is expensive. Other than that, not so much. Remember that it is not the kind of teak that you are varnishing or oiling. I wash it with water, boat soap and a bit of cascade two or three times a year.

The conventional wisdom is that it can need to be replaced every twenty years (although some people go much longer). Our deck was just replaced by the prior owner.
04-03-2009 09:11 PM
FrancoC
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Originally Posted by CBinRI View Post
I have a '76 '41 and it is an awesome family boat.
What about all the teak on the deck? Does it take a lot more maintenance than a fiberglass deck?
04-03-2009 09:54 AM
Sanduskysailor My mistake- I was thinking of the 426-Taylor design.. The 425 was the older Hewson design. Still a great boat-just not as fast.
04-02-2009 10:13 PM
CBinRI
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Originally Posted by sahara View Post
Feel free to ignore this, but it sounds like you may take the family on an offshore passage. You might be happier with something that has seaberths where you don't have to worry about the kiddos rolling around so much. Narrow single berths are great for kids, and on passage get the crew home well rested. But they are rare in modern boats, which, frankly, are more at home in a marina than sailing offshore.

It's a bolt out of the blue, and again, feel free to ignore, but look at this:

1975 Nautor Swan Sail Boat For Sale - www.yachtworld.com


These older Swans are tanks, you can have 2 girls in bed in the pilot berths while you play scrabble on the saloon table. The cabin is not so large that you can get pitched across it and injured while at sea, it has a true seagoing galley for preparing meals underway. It will probably come with a bunch of gear, has full safety gear (which I can attest is quite expensive). It apparently sailed in the 2000 Newport-Bermuda, which has one of the most stringent safety inspections. Being a pedigreed boat, will always be worthy of upgrades. And it will sail well.

I have a boat with pilot and quarter berths, and have hundreds of offshore miles with a little kid aboard. The ability to put him in a snug, secure pilot berth with a lee cloth when he was 8 years old offshore was invaluable. Secure single bunks for the off watch are not a luxury, they are a necessity.

If you are going to stay near shore or just daysail and weekend, ignore me.

Good luck!
I have a '76 '41 and it is an awesome family boat.
04-02-2009 10:09 PM
t22cayuga I don't know these boats but according to PHRFNE, Sabre 42 rates ~96. Sabre 402 (newer Jim Taylor design) rates 66-72.
04-02-2009 07:21 PM
Sanduskysailor
Sabre vs other boats mentioned

Sabres are meant to be sailed, designed by a world class designer (Jim Taylor) and built extremely well. The 42 is not that slow and rates 66-72 not 90. It also can be or was customized at the factory. A freind of mine had one built with 3 cabins, owners, kids, and nanny's. Comparable in price to a Tartan, the Sabre is considerably better built. All the angular exterior surfaces on the Sabre have beveled edges, not so the Tartan. Could be because Sabre owns premium mold maker North End Composites which also supplies Hinckley. Check the fit and finish closely. The Sabre construction method is to lay up the hull, fit all the interior carpentry, put deck on and score, take deck off, remove carpentry (furniture) take to varnish shop and put 6 coats on, reinstall furniture, and then reinstall the deck. Look closely at the hull of Sabre at the next boatshow and then compare it with the others. You will see the difference.

Granted, the Beneteaus, Catalinas, and Hunters can have more dockside amenities they are certainly built to a price. Sabres tend to be sweet sailing machines that are stiff with quality interiors and components. Tartans are priced similarly but have had recent service problems which have been detailed elsewhere and their design pedigree is not as strong since they got away from Sparkman Stephens as their designer.

My order of US production boatbuilders price/quality Sabre, Island Packet, Tartan, Catalina, Hunter.
04-01-2009 07:05 PM
sahara The pilot berths are outboard of the settees amidship, in the saloon (main cabin). Quarter berths are aft of the galley and nav station, tucked under the cockpit. On my boat the quarter berth is open to the main cabin. On that Swan they are in a separate cabin aft. It looks like there is a pass-thru from the galley to the starboard Q-berth.

Most people feel that, being further aft, there is a little less motion under way in the quarter berth. My experience is that, being under the cockpit, it is a little more prone to noise overhead from the cockpit. Bunks forward of the mast are useless when underway.

On our boat, the little guy can lie in his pilot berth and read, and still take part in conversations. On the Swan, the aft cabin would provide more privacy. If your girls are young, this way the little ones get their own beds, plus they are still part of the evening. I like pilot berths.

On our boat, for coastal cruising we put up the lee cloth on the quarter berth, aft of the nav station, and use it as a catch all stowage area, since the Admiral and I sleep forward. When we go offshore, that gear gets stowed forward and we set up the quarter berth for sleeping.

Be forwarned, that Swan will be a lot "cozier" than a more modern boat the same length, but you don't really need that much room. And when the wind picks up and kicks a nasty chop, that will be a very easy boat to drive.

You need to go get on some boats and compare them. You also need to think very hard about how you will actually use a boat. If you are not going offshore, don't bother with an offshore boat, for the money they are smaller, and the interiors are not as well suited to entertaining (although the inside of that swan looks very yachty to me, and would be a nice place for a glass of wine). If you are going offshore, think seriously about robust sailhandling equipment, strong construction, and offshore sleeping arrangements. A tired crew makes mistakes, and that's dangerous offshore. If it is going to be you, the wife, and 3 little girls, be sure the boat is small enough for you and the wife (preferably you or the wife) to handle easily.

Good luck!
04-01-2009 06:15 PM
FrancoC That Swan is a darn good looking boat. I didn't think those boats would be accessible to the common man.

What's the difference between pilot and quarter berths?
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