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12-16-2005 06:51 AM
dman
Monohull vs cat on extended passage?

All very good points sneuman.Just came back on a 50 foot fishing boat,25+ foot seas,chopping ice off with an axe,blinding snowstorm,at times 50knots of wind,for 10 days.Just for the halibut.Leaving for St.Lucia to spend the winter....seeya all.
12-10-2005 10:12 PM
sneuman
Monohull vs cat on extended passage?

To be sure, that is one school of thought, and one that - not surprisingly - many cat owners subscribe to. However, the situation that I alluded to above was one in which the system was unavoidable and there was no place to put in quickly. A catamaran''s speed would not have made a difference. I would never again want to count on onrunning/outguessing a major storm system''s track.
12-10-2005 11:23 AM
sailortonyb1
Monohull vs cat on extended passage?

A thought on safety....
First off, i have never sailed on a cat, but sure would love to try it. Anyway, i work offshore in the gulf of mexico on the rigs. I have seen how fast a tropical low can turn to a tropical depression and then to a tropical storm and all of this happening directly overhead with no prior warning. So if this were to happen to someone say 300 N miles from land and one wanted to escape to safety.....in a mono hull @ approx 6.5 K, thats about 46 hours or approx 2 days. In a Cat at say 20 K, that would equate to about 15 hours. So, am i correct in assuming the cat is the safer vessel in that it is exposed to the elements for a much lesser period of time? Please explain to me where my theory is going wrong, as i said, i have never ben on a multi brefore.
12-07-2005 04:46 PM
sneuman
Monohull vs cat on extended passage?

I am inclined to respectfully disagree here. From my recent experience in extreme conditions, I feel strongly that there is a point where the boat becomes the most important member of the crew.

As K. Adlard Coles'' says in Heavy Weather Sailing: "... in a survival gale of force 10 or over, perhaps gusting at hurricane strength, wind and sea become the masters."

Few will ever see those conditions, but if it happens, believe me you will be damn glad of having a safe, seaworthy boat. For me, I have the conviction of a religious convert that that means a full-keeled, narrow-beamed monohull.
11-26-2005 03:57 PM
whoulihan
Monohull vs cat on extended passage?

Upon further thought, it seems to me that the answer is with the sailor. Competent seamanship will overshadow the boat. Therefore, I don''t believe it is an either/or discussion, but what are the attributes of each.
A lady that responded to my post on the SailNet email lists under catamarans, is an unequivical believer in catamarans, and particularly when in the open sea.
Let''s further the discussion with info from sailors who have been there.

11-24-2005 09:07 AM
magnusmurphy
Monohull vs cat on extended passage?

I''m really impressed with the longevity of this thread after my initial question. One thing is clear: There is no clear answer (I guess the one thing isn''t clear...).

Seems that both options are good. different strokes for different folks...

Keep the debate coming

M Murphy
11-24-2005 04:50 AM
WHOOSH
Monohull vs cat on extended passage?

Amongst a lot of opinion on this lengthy thread, I find some very helpful summaries on comparing cats to monohulls for offshore cruising - and I notice they come from folks who have actual long-sitance cruising experience on both types of hulls.

By contrast and in response to the previous post, every time I''ve heard Mr. Kanter speak (numerous occasions plus articles he''s authored) I always come away with the sense he''s pitching a specific preference vs. offering an impartial analysis. Because of his experience - extensive in some respects but very limited in others - to me this means his remarks can be useful but only if viewed in context. You can learn a lot about Buicks from a Buick salesman, but he''s probably not the guy from whom you want to learn about BMW''s.

Note the topic of the thread: Extended passagemaking, cat vs. mono? Let''s just keep in mind that Mr. Kanter has never to my knowledge done extended passagemaking on a monohull, has limited his own personal cruising principally to the Bahamas and U.S. East Coast, and that occasional delivery trips on cats offer only a limited perspective on cruising a cat offshore while offering one no info about cruising a monohull.

No offense intended to Mr. Kanter; let''s just keep opinion and preference lined up under their respective headings, and experience under its own.

Jack
11-23-2005 12:21 PM
gunkhole
Monohull vs cat on extended passage?

Take a look at the book, "Cruising in Catamarans" by Charles E. Kanter. Wonderfully informative. Spoke to Mr. Kanter and his wife at the Annapolis Boat Show this year. Since we do not know much about cats and are looking at several different ones on which to retire in the next few years, it seemed expedient to speak to someone with 32 years of experience. Mr. Kanter has helped us narrow our search, both by speaking to him in person and by reading his book. He addresses many of the myths perpetuated by those who may not know any different. Such as going to windward. Dennis Connor on his 60'' cat pointed up to 5 degrees better than a 120'' high tech racing boat during the 1990 America''s Cup Challenge. I understand that his cat was not a cruising cat, but it points out that all inclusive comments about a certain boat''s abilities are not always accurate.
11-20-2005 07:56 PM
whoulihan
Monohull vs cat on extended passage?

Wow - What fun reading! A real kick. My $0.02 worth....
My last boat an Ericson 38'' - one of the best boats ever. Current boat a Fountaine Pajot 38''. Only owned a year, so I have taken a lot of interest in sailing Cats in bad weather.
Severe weather can be bad in either Mono or Multi. There are plenty of stories to support either belief. As Catamarans are becoming more popular we are beginning to see reports of successful crossings. Mine, for example, came across the pond in the ''99 ARC.
I admit I do not have enough experience to comment - but there are sure a lot of catamarans sailing the world.
Regards
11-04-2005 04:21 AM
Billpjr
Monohull vs cat on extended passage?

You have 18 yrs multi owner experience and a fair amount of miles in monos. I have 40 yrs mono ownership and a fair amount of miles in multis...32''-74''. It has nothing to do with "dock walking" and everything to do with the common denominators of multihulls...sail, power, big, small.

You failed to mention having to "steer" a cat around to come about. Slam the wheel hard over as done in a monohull and one hull stalls the other...putting you in irons. I know, it''s just another minor detail that gets lost in the conversation.

If Hobies share no characteristics with large cats please explain your earlier statements of why these factors don''t apply...because everyone of them is identical to optimum performance on every cat...

"however running too fast down a big wave, digging the bow into the next wave and pitchpoling is a significant hazard for a racing cat, and not to be ignored by a cruising boat."

"Weight is detrimental to performance"

"A cat needs to be sailed further off the wind than a mono"

"Hull speed is essential to minimise leeway"


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