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04-12-2009 04:11 AM
sailingdog well, you did say you lost rigging, not the rig... so it's accurate.
04-12-2009 12:06 AM
nk235
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Originally Posted by Giulietta View Post
Nk..I am sorry for you trouble and damage, but you really didn't lose a rigginig..

you broke something....

losing a rig is bad...but different from what you experienced
True - I guess I should have titled the thread something different but created it after a long day when I got home from the whole mess of the rigging problem and many other tasks to do on the boat and wasn't thinking straight.
04-11-2009 11:43 PM
knothead
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Originally Posted by CalebD View Post
Nk,
Congrats on noticing this problem before it escalated into losing the mast etc.
We got a new Furlex unit and new head sail from the Doyle loft in Huntington about 5 years ago that we are quite happy with and they did the rigging (if you are on the LI side of the Sound).
Replacing all the stays/shrouds will give you peace of mind and make some rigger like Knothead busy and happy.

Amen to that.
Keep me busy and I don't have the energy to run off at the mouth (fingers) nearly as much.
04-11-2009 11:37 PM
CalebD Nk,
Congrats on noticing this problem before it escalated into losing the mast etc.
We got a new Furlex unit and new head sail from the Doyle loft in Huntington about 5 years ago that we are quite happy with and they did the rigging (if you are on the LI side of the Sound).
Replacing all the stays/shrouds will give you peace of mind and make some rigger like Knothead busy and happy.
04-11-2009 09:10 PM
knothead
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Originally Posted by Maine Sail View Post
Yes a STAINLESS swage on ALUMINUM. When I bought this boat the first thing I did was call my rigger. He had a box of failed rigging parts and in this box was about 10" of the aluminum Hyde extrusion and the failed top swivel. There was lots of corrosion up in there that probably helped lead to the failure. Having seen it first hand it helped make my decision to spend 2K on a new furler easier.

I don't know to many vessels that use aluminum as a rigging wire/medium but Hyde did and they mixed it with stainless which we all know can lead to disimilar metal corrosion. I suspect, from seeing this piece, that the epoxy pour is what failed and lead to the internal corrosion.

I don't doubt you may have never seen a failure but apparently they did and could occur with the Hyde system. This is why I used the word "some" not "all" or "many" or "lots" because I couldn't assume I was looking at the only Hyde failure in that box. Who knows, perhaps I was...?

Either way my boat has all new standing rigging and a new furler properly installed and I have much more comfort in knowing that especially with the picture of the Hyde parts still in my head.
Hey, I'm not gonna claim that the Stream Stay was the cat's meow. I'm just saying that the fact that it's swaged, and not simply relying on epoxy to hold it together is a rather important point to omit. No?

The fact is, there are many of these systems still in use today. Some 30 years after they quit making them. That speaks pretty well for their longevity.
There are failures in all equipment sometimes. Tested, proven and trusted parts fails sometimes. Whether because of a mistake in production or installation, who knows? Stuff happens.
Some Camry's are lemons. But that doesn't mean that they aren't a good car.

That's all I'm saying.

I have a Stream Stay to rebuild sitting in the yard now. Sure wish I could talk the owner into a new furler. Rebuilding those old things is a greasy PITA.
04-11-2009 08:41 PM
Giulietta Nk..I am sorry for you trouble and damage, but you really didn't lose a rigginig..

you broke something....

losing a rig is bad...but different from what you experienced
04-11-2009 08:27 PM
Maine Sail
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Originally Posted by knothead View Post



You neglect to mention that there is a stainless collar that is swaged onto the aluminum extrusion before the fitting is filled with epoxy.
I have never seen a failure of this installation. And I've rebuilt and replace dozens of them.
The Hyde Stream Stay systems are somewhat prone to bearing failure. But it is a gross mis-characterization to say that the systems fail because of the terminals.

Yes a STAINLESS swage on ALUMINUM. When I bought this boat the first thing I did was call my rigger. He had a box of failed rigging parts and in this box was about 10" of the aluminum Hyde extrusion and the failed top swivel. There was lots of corrosion up in there that probably helped lead to the failure. Having seen it first hand it helped make my decision to spend 2K on a new furler easier.

I don't know to many vessels that use aluminum as a rigging wire/medium but Hyde did and they mixed it with stainless which we all know can lead to disimilar metal corrosion. I suspect, from seeing this piece, that the epoxy pour is what failed and lead to the internal corrosion.

I don't doubt you may have never seen a failure but apparently they did and could occur with the Hyde system. This is why I used the word "some" not "all" or "many" or "lots" because I couldn't assume I was looking at the only Hyde failure in that box. Who knows, perhaps I was...?

Either way my boat has all new standing rigging and a new furler properly installed and I have much more comfort in knowing that especially with the picture of the Hyde parts still in my head.
04-11-2009 08:16 PM
knothead
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Originally Posted by celenoglu View Post
Head stay failures are the most common ones. The general point is from the top of the mast. This is due to furlers. Te oscilation of the furler causes premature breaking of the head stay. changing only the head stay in this condition is enough. The other stays are generally safe to use.
I am assuming that you are thinking of failures that occur because a toggle wasn't used at the top of the headstay. Something that every furling system manufacturer strongly recommends as far as I know.
Even a headstay without a furler should incorporate a toggle at both ends.

A furler, properly installed will not cause a headstay to prematurely fail.

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Originally Posted by Maine Sail View Post
The Hyde furlers did not use a head stay. The stainless swivels were basically glued/epoxied/bonded onto a solid aluminum extrusion that acted as the head stay. Some of these Hyde's had the swivels come unglued from the extrusion.
You neglect to mention that there is a stainless collar that is swaged onto the aluminum extrusion before the fitting is filled with epoxy.
I have never seen a failure of this installation. And I've rebuilt and replace dozens of them.
The Hyde Stream Stay systems are somewhat prone to bearing failure. But it is a gross mis-characterization to say that the systems fail because of the terminals.
04-11-2009 06:33 PM
nk235 I'm just happy the thing happened while I was on my way to have the boat hauled and have a rigger inspect everything....anyway as an update have decided on replacing everything - all standing rigging along with a new Furlex is on order and should be on end of next week or the week after.

A big chunk of change but at least I will some peace of mind...
04-10-2009 10:39 AM
sailingdog Just cause it made it over 30K miles....doesn't necessarily mean that it should have been used for 30K miles or 3 for that matter.
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