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05-22-2005 07:56 PM
JeffC_
scuppers

Captain, I believe a cockpit drain is not a scupper, in the strictest sense.

My mental image of you running around your deck plugging all your scuppers before you work in the cockpit was quite amusing, though. You must be a "tool thrower" like I am. lol
05-20-2005 09:20 AM
captain323
scuppers

You may also consider the inevitable event of a valuable object falling into a scupper. For that reason, I place rubber shower drain covers upside down when sailing/maintenance work. Good Luck, Joe
01-04-2005 03:28 PM
elhanley
scuppers

If a cockpit drain is run straight down, and the boat heels far enough to place the drain inlet below sea level, water will flood up the drain to sea level. For that reason, they are usually run across the boat to exit the hull above sea level when heeled, or at least minimize the depth to which they are submerged.
12-24-2004 08:13 AM
DelmarRey
scuppers

So what does the ABYC say about the exhaust ports on power boats. They''re
submerged or at least partly!
12-24-2004 06:42 AM
Jeff_H
scuppers

Delray,

What you are suggesting is against ABYC recommendations. All below waterline thru-hulls should have a seacock and rigid portions of a plumbing system are more prone to bursting than rubber hoses which often have some give to them. Again I strongly recommend that the cockpit drain overboard discharge be above the waterline on any boat likely to be in the water in a freeze prone venue.

Jeff
12-23-2004 03:38 PM
DelmarRey
scuppers

I would concur with Jeff on this one.

On the other hand they would be no differant than a regular thru hull except that there would be water running through them no matter what the boats status is, that is being out in the weather. And when rubber gets cold it gets harder and can break.

Personally, I would re-design them so if they were below the waterline, and and if the hose failed they would not take on water.

By glassing or plumbing in a stack, the hose connection is above the waterline. This way if there is a hose failure it''ll still hold water. But still allowing it to drain, in the water or not. Kind of like your rudder support/bearing. If they''re plumbed in (thruhull fittings), they will still have to be maintenanced just like any other thruhll.

You wouldn''t need the seacocks either. It would take a catastrophe event to make them leak. Then you''ll have more to worry about then just your scupper drains..........._/)
12-23-2004 01:18 PM
jkumin
scuppers

There was no mention of the boat being left in the water over a winter. Given that, Jeff''s point of it being a risk is correct. However, I have left a boat in the water with below the waterline cockpit drains for many years in Alaska. Our harbor is full of boats like that. In my experience rubber hose doesn''t split if it freezes - it expands slightly then contracts when the water thaws out. I always wrapped the drain lines and seacocks with electric heat tape to keep them warm as an added precaution. Granted there could be a prolonged power outage at the same time as a very deep freeze. If you want to avoid all risks of sinking better pull the boat. I have seen boats sink from seacock problems but it''s always the same stuff - a seacock eaten out by electrolysis or an old rotten hose.
12-23-2004 12:28 PM
Jeff_H
scuppers

I am deeply opposed to cockpit drains that exit below the waterline on any boat that may be left in the water over the winter in a northern climate. The cockpit drains need to be left open during the winter and if they are in the water sooner or later the lines will freeze up and split the drain hose. It is bad enough to have a frozen cockpit drain leaking into the boat but it is way more serious if that hose is attached to a thru-hull below the waterline.

Jeff
12-23-2004 10:42 AM
jkumin
scuppers

Like everything with boats there are pro''s and con''s with different routing. Having the drain go to a through-hull with seacock lets it be placed directly under the cockpit well for a short direct route, quick to drain and less likely to clog. Below the waterline discharges avoid topsides staining from water dribbling down. On the other hand they are one more hole in the boat that should be left open while away. If closed the cockpit can fill with water from rain or snow, which will eventually find its way below.

Since you already have the below waterline setup, I wouldn''t change. No need to loop the drain. That''s done for anti-siphoning, not a problem with cockpit drains. Keep the run short and direct, use really good hose, double clamp at fittings, and check it periodically. That includes opening and closing the seacocks to make sure they still work.
12-23-2004 07:33 AM
TrueBlue
scuppers

The thru-hull outlet for the cockpit scupper drainhoses should be positioned above the waterline. The hose route should be positioned such that when heeling, gravity will still allow the cockpit to drain.
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