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04-29-2009 07:30 AM
NCC320 nez... Also, on the recycling fee. In all that time you didn't drink any beer or soft drinks out of cans or bottles, or read any newspapers or magazines. And if you did, what did you do with these? Everywhere, cities are trying to recycle as much of the trash as possible, but generally, these operations are not completely selfsustaining, so typically there are recycling fees. Since you say that you didn't have (or elected not to use) the recycling bins, you shouldn't have to pay a recycling fee like the citizens of New Bern do. If you didn't recycle anything, it obviously went into the trash and wound up in the landfill, which is a major problem and the driver to recycle. Would you have felt better if they called it a landfill fee? Also, assuming you didn't flush overboard, each day you used the water, shower, and sewage facilities. Just where do does this go and how is it treated? And how is it paid for?

You lived on your boat for approximately 5 months or 150 days, so for your $134, your use taxes for all the services I mentioned and more comes to a little less than $1 per day..something to really bitch about. And you activiely try to hurt the local economy, which you found interesting enough in the past that you visited how many times...20 or so? Because of your posting, there will be some that will bypass New Bern, and it's too bad. It, like many other places along the waterways, is an interesting place.

Now, as to using facilities, my boat (not at New Bern) stays at a marina and I am only aboard a few days each month...say 6 days a month maximum. So I pay property taxes on it just like you should have, but assuming the boat was the same value as yours, then over five months, it's used 30 days instead of your 150 days. So, as a local, I pay roughly 5 times more for the same services as you did...but that's fair isn't it?

Early on, you said that you paid property taxes in MD, but I have a boat registered in MD. MD gives favored treatment to boats and boats are not assessed an annual property tax.

Nez....I think you owe the people of New Bern, in particular, and the users of this forum an apology. But that will never happen will it?.....So where are you freeloading now?
04-28-2009 02:16 PM
hellosailor "Do the taxes help with the up keep of the marinas?"
Bear in mind that marinas sometimes catch fire, and when they do, a fire department paid for by taxes often responds. So...taxes support many things, including school systems that educate future dockworkers. (Or not.)
Can you drive up to the marina? Road paid for by taxes. Stuff like that.

Not all taxes go into lining corrupt pockets, some small piece of it trickles down to the rest of the world. Even marinas.
04-28-2009 01:49 PM
NCC320 nezperce333 visits New Bern for some months, five I believe, stays at the marina, and when he is assessed personal property taxes, he gets angry and starts a personal campaign to "dis" New Bern. So, he thinks he should come, stay as long as he wants and free load off the local citizens? While the taxes may not directly pay to support the marina day to day, look a little deeper and you'll find that the local taxes do support some of the services that nez got or had access to. I'm sure that in 5 months, he went ashore and used the city streets to move about, and probably other facilities. If there had been a fire on his boat while in the marina, the city fire department would have responded. If nez had slipped and struck his head on the finger pier, the local rescue people would have responded, and taken him to the community hospital, also supported by local taxes. If someone had broken into his boat or there were disruptive inhabitants on a nearby boat, the local police would have responded. The nice waterfront developments, including the marinas, happened because local citizens paid years ago to redevelop the crumbling waterfront area, and to help develop the local historical development.

I understand that if one comes and spends money with the local merchants, that visitor is helping pay for the services he uses, but there's more to it than just supporting a local business and paying sales taxes. But in his mind, it seems ok for him to stay for five months and have some non boat owning local citizens pay for him and other such freeloaders. If you come, and use the services, then pay your share. If nez have been there only a short while, he wouldn't have gotten that bill, I don't believe. New Bern is a nice place..if you haven't visited, come visit....and like every other place, it will cost something, but not too much. And if you don't want to pay the price, then don't come, but don't trash the place.
04-28-2009 01:23 PM
PBzeer Not in New Bern. The marina is a private facility, not a public one. Even the easement is privately maintained.
04-28-2009 01:11 PM
JacquelineHaden Do the taxes help with the up keep of the marinas?
04-25-2009 07:26 PM
chuck711
Nuisance Taxes.

All states are different. I pay $177 for a 1988 Cal 33 here in New Bern.
All states/cities have different ways of raising the money to run things.

With all the Northers moving here to retire. They don't mind the cost at all.

As a normal cruiser running up and down the eastern seaboard you'll
pay nothing until you stay somewhere for a good part of the year.

I remember being in Luperon for 3 weeks. Cost $89.
You stayed in New Bern for 5 months and it cost you $98.
04-25-2009 06:57 PM
nezperce333
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Originally Posted by chuck711 View Post
This 30 footer. What was your tax bill?
$134.00, which was inclusive of something called a recycling fee. Interesting also, since even when the boat WAS there, I had no recycling bin or anything like it. I think, and I don't have the bill in front of me at the moment, that this recycling fee was $36. leaving only $98. as tax. Of course, it has never been about the amount with me, more about the principle. From the way hellosailor explains it, one could quite legally be required to pay these taxes in 3 different jusidictions over the course of a year. IF my boat was larger, newer, and more valuable, I could end up with huge bills, under that paradigm.
I'd be interested to know what the guys with multimillion dollar boats, which always seem to registered in Lewes or Rehobeth, DE, pay. On the West Coast, I understand they usually have an Alaskan hailing port.
04-25-2009 06:26 PM
chuck711
What kind of money are we talkin About

This 30 footer. What was your tax bill?
04-25-2009 12:16 PM
nezperce333
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Originally Posted by LittleMissMagic View Post
Thats one of my favorite scenes too, remember what happened to the tax man in the end though!
I visited New Bern in 2007 and did find it to be a nice town, but if this is an example of thier taxation practices, I might stay away in the future.
I am just curious about what a personal property tax constitues. Is it an annual assesment of value? We pay an ad velorum tax here in Alabama, is this the same thing?
I don't know what an ad velorum tax is. Personal property tax is, as you surmised, a tax levied on the assessed value, generally of big ticket items. On a percentage basis, it is generally higher than real estate tax. BTW- your boat may have been built in New Bern, do you know? Back in what I consider to be the good old days of New Bern, Clark Boat Co. had a factory there. The founders of Clark Boat Co., Bob and Coral Clark, owned Clark Yacht Sales in Bridgeton, NC, almost beside the old New Bern-Bridgeton Hwy. 17 Bridge (that was not where the factory was, it was on the other end of town), when they retired, they bought the Harvey House, and lived on the upper level of it, with the restaurant and bar below rented out to other people. I think there were more San Juans built in Kent, Washington, but New Bern was the site of their East Coast factory.
04-25-2009 11:18 AM
LittleMissMagic
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Originally Posted by nezperce333 View Post
I agree with you. In other situations, it is "innocent until proven guilty", with the tax man it is "guilty until you can prove yourself innocent." BTW-one of my favorite scenes in any movie is in POPEYE, when Robin Williams ties up to a town dock, and the tax man comes up and greets him with a "tying up to the wharf tax", "dinghy under the dock tax", "asking the tax man a question tax", and "new in town tax". I am NOT associating that with New Bern, btw, just found it amusing, and painfully close to reality, in some regards.
Thats one of my favorite scenes too, remember what happened to the tax man in the end though!
I visited New Bern in 2007 and did find it to be a nice town, but if this is an example of thier taxation practices, I might stay away in the future.
I am just curious about what a personal property tax constitues. Is it an annual assesment of value? We pay an ad velorum tax here in Alabama, is this the same thing?
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