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Any Creekmore owners?

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#1 ·
I am looking for any Creekmore owners out there. We recently purchased a 45'' Creekmore. We are going to spend the next year refitting the interior (all but the V-birth and the salon). She is out of the water and we bought the stands as well. It is ketch rigged with an 83hp Yanmar. Just looking for some other owners to talk with.
Thanks
pastorlyons@hotmail.com
 
#31 ·
I re-measured "Georgia" by dropping plumb bobs from the bow and stern and measured the distance along the ground between. It came out to 36 feet 10 inches. Previously, I measured her over the deck using spirit levels at the bow and stern and got 36 feet 11 inches. Why wouldn't Lee Creekmore have called "Georgia" a Creekmore 37? Have any of you with Creekmore 36s measured your overall length? Best regards to all, Scoopy.
 
#32 ·
I just read through all the previous Q & A re Creekmore 36s. I just purchased one last year, and am currently rebuilding it. Its name was Rubaiyat. I have the original purchase agreement signed by the previous owner and Raymond Creekmore. She was purchased on May 6, 1963. I am the second owner. Her length is 36'-8" with a 10' beam, and no centerboard. She is Yawl rigged, and the main boom is 16 feet long. The engine is a Brit Lister air cooled diesel.

It is still under it's winter cover, but when spring finally comes, I will post some pics. the first thing I had to do was re-core the deck, as the rigid foam core had become a sponge.
 
#33 ·
Rubiayat, I saw your boat for sale! This is absolutely incredible you have found your way to this forum thread. Feel free to post some pictures because your boat very closely resembles the 36 foot creekmore magic. That is great you know much of the earlier history. Let us know if we can be of any assistance and that would be cool if you could get a blog of your recommissioning.
 
#34 ·
Creekmore 36s

Hello Rubiayat and welcome to this little band of excited Creekmore owners.

I look forward to your pictures.

Anybody got an idea how Creekmore 36s can be 36' 8" and 36' 10' or 11"? My boat is also 10' on the beam.

I would be most interested in learning what you know about the early history of the Creekmore 36s.

I've got some of the covers off but the weather has not gotten above 50 and is still going below freezing at night (Sturgeon Bay, Wisconsin). But this does not stop me from thinking about my plans for "Georgia."

Best regards.
 
#35 ·
Rubiayat, my son (J24mark) and I had been watching Rubiayat on the Internet over the past year or so on the Three Mile Harbor Boatyard web site. We are excited that you have purchsed the Creekmore and will be bringing it back to life. At one point, there were a few pictures of Rubiayat we could pull up but if you could post a few more as you work through the refurbishment process it would be great. We have quite a few refurb projects on our agenda for Magic, our 36' Creekmore, too.
 
#36 ·
Rubiayat back to life

As soon as I get the cover off, I will take some photos of the current project, which is re-coring the deck. The foam was almost completely saturated. I cut the uppermost fiberglass skin off, and epoxied the new core material, marine grade 3/8" plywood to the lower skin, and then came winter. My next project is to have all the bronze ports re-glazed, and the ports re-caulked.

As far as i can tell, the original owner bought the boat in 1963, and kept it in the New York City area until his passing in 1984. The boat sat in the Long Island yard from approximately that time.

It was a yawl at one time as all the chainplates and mast base are still there, but the mizzen mast was missing. The interior of the boat is all mahogany, and with the exception of water damage around the companionway, is in very good condition.

I did contact Lee Creekmore, and he has provided me with the line drawings for the boat showing it as a Yawl. You can find Raymond Creekmore's abeviated biography on line. I have collected all his illustrated books. He actually lived in Japan the same time I was there, although he was slightly older than I was at the time.

Hopefully the weather will stay springlike in a few weeks. I need that fiberglass itch....it means summer can't be far behind.

Rodger
 
#37 ·
Rodger, good effort on your Creekmore. It is amazing that Rubiayat sat in the yard since 1984. It seems the deck suffered but hopefully the hull is very dry. Our Creekmore 36, Magic, sat in a yard in St Augustine for a year or two. We brought her to Atlanta and worked on the bottom, sanding off four layers of paint, and adding three layers of Interprotec and two layers of paint. How many of your ports open? Only two of Magic's open but they are very nice bronze ports. We suspect that Magic was also a yawl in past but no hardware evidence confirms this. The name of your Creekmore, Rubiayat, is surely interesting. Have you been able to learn its origin? John
 
#38 ·
A wet weekend, and a long honey-do list prevented any work on the boat. There are two operable portholes in the main cabin on both sides. There are two operable portholes on both sides forward, as well as a 5" round porthole facing forward. There is an operable porthole in the head, and another opposite above the hanging locker. There are two dorade vents, one over the head, and one above the the passageway to the forpeak. The traveler is aft of the cockpit traversing from coaming to coaming. It is one of the items on the upgrade-replace list.

One place to check for the mizzen mast is the support column running from the hull to the deck just forward of the after hatch, but the chainplates should still be visable above the deck.

The mast base had four winches mounted to it, and only two winches at the cockpit. I plan on adding two winches to the cabin with clutches for various lines.

Hopefully the weather will cooperate this weekend.

Rodger
 
#40 ·
Rubiyat, I can't believe it. I knew your boat pretty well. My family almost bought that boat in 1965 from the second owner, a man whose last name was something Ruby. We even did a sail trial and went to survey on the boat. If I remember right, that boat was delivered as a kit to another owner and partially finished by the original owner, who then sold it to Ruby who named her Rubiyat. In those days she had a black hull.

It was a neat but ideosycncratic boat. It had an air cooled engine and at least in those days you had to open the sail locker and hook up this giant galvanized wind scoop when you wanted to motor.

Another oddity of the boat was that one side of the bow (starboard I believe) was convex and the other side was slightly concave.

The boat did sail well, although the versions delivered with the centerboard sailed better and would beat her in races.

I can't recall why, but the boat failed survey and we moved on and bought a Vanguard, but I remember her well.

Jeff
 
#41 ·
Some artrhoscopic knee surgery and a troublesome recovery in May/June have kept me away from this site. Happy to see the new entries and participants.

We had a new 135% genoa cut this winter. It's like a new boat: faster, points higher, and a balanced helm. The old genoa was 167% and permanently stretched out of shape. With the draft pocket aft, she didn't point, was slow for the amount of wind, and the weather helm was pretty awful.

We had to make repairs to the keel this Spring. Cracks developed on both sides of the centerboard slot, going up from base of the panel that lines the slot at about 30 degrees from the vertical. Best explanation is that water found its way into (1) glass cloth that was not fully wetted, or (2) glass cloth that did not have all the bubbles rolled out of it, or (3) there wasn't a good bond between layers of cloth when the work stopped one day and then was resumed another. Each winter, the water trapped in the voids froze and "jacked" the crack open -- probably very little at first but then more as more water could get in and freeze. The faults were most likely made when the boat was manufactured. The space between the shell of the keel and the sides of the centerboard slot is only about 6.5 inches. I would be challenging to lay up glass cloth properly in such a confined space. The cracks have been repaired. Whether we were able to fill all the voids by injecting resin filler is unknowable. If water gets in and freezes, the cracks will develop again. Heated storage? Flat electric heating panels in the centerboard slot to keep the keel above freezing? Maybe it will take another 40 years for the cracks to re-develop!

Have looked carefully but we cannot see the registration/hull number on the aft, starboard quarter (below the deck). Has anybody found hull numbers embossed anywhere else on Creekmore 36s?

Does anybody have a rather large collection of lead pigs places against the hull under the bunks in the main cabin? Or did someone put these on board Georgia to correct hull trim and listing as the water tanks emptied and the holding tank (forward, to port, under the stateroom bunk) filled up?

Has anyone found a structural surface that is level (fore and aft, side to side) with respect to the hull?

Enough for now. More later.

Scoopy
"Gerogia"
Creekmore 36 (that measures closer to 37)
 
#42 ·
Creekmore 45 Carriacou

We have purchased a Creekmore 45 (1983) in Carriacou. It is cutter rigged and will need an overhaul, but is sound. We will be living aboard her when she is ready and plan to sail around the Caribbean based in Carriacou.
She does not have a lifting keel, but has the same hull design of others we have seen pictures of.
We will update as we go.

John & Kathy
 
#43 ·
I am having trouble getting pictures to load showing progress on deck work. Even with the comments on this site, I can't seemto get them past my desktop. Any Hints? I finally got all the top skin back on and all the seams fiberglass taped, and am now filling and sanding the entire deck. To Georgia: I have about 500 pounds of lead pigs that I found in the forward starboard storage area under bunk, and in the starboard hanging closet. They came in handy holding down the deck skin when I glued them back on. Also, when I had the boat delivered, I had them level the boat with respect to the cabin sole. On the drawings that I received from Lee Creekmore, the sole is parallel to the waterline. I leveled the boat side to side at three different places, forward of the cabin, forward of the winches in the cockpit and aft of the mizzen base. When I get around to painting the hull (THIS FALL!!) I will set up my laser level to shoot the boot top.
 
#46 ·
Creekmore 36 "Georgia"

Your report about lead pigs in your boat suggests that Lee Creekmore provided them for the purpose you used them: to level the boat side to side and fore and aft. I've done a little of this myself.

Most of our pigs are under the berths in the main cabin, amidships. Some are up forward under the starboard berth. The holding tank is under the forward port berth but this is a varying weight.

"Georgia" tends to be down at the stern, probably because she now has a diesel engine. The fresh water tanks are in the forward part of the cockpit seat lockers and this is a lot of weight.

I've not been able to find the hull number of "Georgia." I've looked carefully on the hull aft of the cockpit seat lockers. I noticed recently that on the boat registration papers with the Wisconsin Department of Natural Resources that a hull number has been entered (probably carried over from year to year for four decades). The number is WSZ065980489. Could this be the number that was given to "Georgia" when the boat was built?

I hope you can solve your picture problem. I would really like to see the work you are doing on the deck.

It is good to know that the cabin sole is parallel with the water line.

Let's keep comparing notes about our boats. I learn something new each time I hear from you.

Best regards,

Scoopy
 
#47 ·
Rubi,

The pictures did not come through, I am anxious to see your creekmore. 'Magic' is still in the planning process with a 'wheel steering' and a 'water heater' are in the works.

'Magic' is stern heavy also. It has a Perkins 4-108 diesel and a 50 gallon fuel cell under the cockpit.
 
#48 ·
Very interesting. Our fuel tank is an integral part of the keel structure. Holds about 40 gallons. It located below the engine. The access port (for cleanout) is just forward of the engine. Near the access port are the fuel filler line, the fuel supply line and the fuel return line from the diesel engine.

There is plenty of room under the cockpit floor for a fuel tank, mounted to the hull above and aft of the propeller shaft.

Was your tank added to "Magic" as a substitute for the one in the keel or did your keel not have a built-in tank? Is the filling fitting for your tank in the floor of the cockpit? Mine is on the side deck, port side.

There must have been serious differences in the way Lee Creekmore designed and built 36s. For example mine has a centerboard; yours does not. Otherwise the long keel and rudder attachment look to be the same.

Let's keep the conversation flowing.

Scoopy
 
#49 ·
Well actually the old fuel cell was located where yours was. It is now the bilge and works very well for that purpose. I doubt very seriously ours holds 40 gallons, I could very well see 20 at most. Our fresh water tank is located just in front of the old fuel cell (our bilge).

Ours was transformed at one point, having a modern interior. Also, our chain plates are integrated into the hull with a cutter rig and twin backstays. It is very weird indeed how our boats are different. But they were not made for 'sail away' condition from my understanding. You bought the boat with the intention of customizing the interior and could be a sloop, cutter, or yawl sail plan.
 
#50 ·
Creekmore 36 "Georgia"

Interesting to learn about the variations in the design features of the Creekmore 36 hulls, as well as the modifications that owners made after buying their boats.

In order to create a larger main cabin, the cockpit was made smaller and the main cabin extended aft a couple of feet. The cabin house was raised, as well in this aft section. This was done by the Lee Creekmore at the time the boat was built.

I wonder if the mast step had to be moved aft when cutter or yawl rigs were used rather than a sloop rig?

There are storage places on the boat that are difficult to get to. For example, up forward there is storage space under the stateroom bunks between the anchor locker and the storage spaces on either side of the aft end of the forward stateroom bunks. To get at this space, you have to move the mattresses back into the main cabin and then lift a triangular 3 ft hatch board out of the way. There is no ventilation. The bottom of the area is shaped by the deep "V" of the bow. Do you use this space for anything?

Best regards,

Scoopy
 
#51 ·
Trial and error

I have recovered the deck with the original top skin. I am now sanding the entire deck to receive two part poly. I will be happy to share the drawings I have if anyone thinks that they will help. In the bundle are two drawings not related to this boat. Rubiayat is sail #6 and is a yawl. But there is also a sloop rigged 36 for a R. Logan. The date appears to be 1/21/61.

Still can't get the photos to upload.
 
#52 ·
Hey guys, I've been distracted by much over the past few months and so haven't posted recently. My Creekmore 36, Magic, has been stuck in the slip due to repair efforts on the raw water system intake filter and hose and replacement of fuel filters. I added a second primary filter to help with cleaning the dirty fuel I have. With work, family and other needs that really come first, boat repair has strung out for weeks. One positive note is that our Lake Lanier is nearly at full pool. A year ago we were setting daily records for low water. Makes sailing the lake far more enjoyable when you can look away from the depth gauge for longer than 30 seconds! Hoping to bleed the fuel lines tomorrow and get out on the lake. The sailing season is really just beginning for us. Fall, winter and spring sailing is a little cold but the winds are strong and consistent. Summer sailing is either "bob and bake" or thunderstorms and "down draft" sailing. We have been sailing on my son Mark's J24. It's much lighter (3,000 lbs) and can be fun even in the light summer winds. Hope you guys are well. John
 
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