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11-09-2009 10:58 PM
sailingdog Not all of the Endeavours are well-built boats... just like not all of the Hunters are junk... Making broad generalizations is generally a bad idea...

Roger Long and his boat are very well known, and I respect Roger's opinion, and he has documented much of what he has done on Strider on his website. However, before going to survey, I'd really recommend reading and using the information in the Boat Inspection Trip Tips thread I started.
11-09-2009 02:45 PM
xort
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Originally Posted by windship View Post
Wow Jeff! You still trashing Endeavours?

11-08-2009 01:56 PM
Yorksailor Good little boat, mostly a coastal cruiser but a friend did the Altantic west to east in one without problems.
11-08-2009 11:14 AM
ChuckA Roger Long is a marine architect, Harbormaster for Cape Elizabeth, ME and a writer for Point's East Magazine. He has written extensively about his 1980 Endeavor that he has been sailing for several years on his Strider web page. He took ownership in 2005, and although she was in good condition, he did extensive refitting. Roger raves about the boat's sailing ability and sailed three round trips between Portland Maine & Canada in 2009. Although I don't know him personally, I've read a bit about his personal and professional maritime experience, and I have utmost respect for his opinion.

While I was boat shopping recently I ran across a late '70s Endeavour 32 advertised for about $10K near Hingham, MA, but she had been sitting for a while and was rather neglected.

I passed her by, considering the following which Roger had written about Strider...
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I've been telling people for years that a thirty thousand dollar boat is a thirty thousand dollar boat even if you only pay fifteen for it.
I'm headed outdoors to enjoy the sunshine and unseasonably warm temp today. The snow and ice will be here too soon!

Best,
Chuck
11-08-2009 10:35 AM
windship
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Originally Posted by Jeff_H View Post
This is one of those boats that are hard to peg. They were pretty comparable boats to the Hunters of that era (Hunters were actually prettty high quality in that era).





The Endeavour 32 began life as the Irwin 32 which was a nice racer/cruiser for its day. When Endeavour bought the tooling, they basically cheapened the boats in a lot of ways, and in doing so compromised its sailing ability by eliminating the Irwin's centerboard, reducing the amount of ballast, shortening the rig, installing lower power winches and lower quality hardware, and so on. My family owned 2 Endeavours from this era, and build quality on these early Endeavours really was not very good.





Nearly 30 years later, if these boats had a caring owner, factory electrical issues would have been address, any structural issues will be visible, perhaps the cheesy deck and cabin hardware has been upgraded and so on. Or, if they were just sailed and put away wet then I would expect the boat to be something of a project.





Jeff




Wow Jeff! You still trashing Endeavours?


I had a lengty post goin' here but lost it, so I'll just say thet Jeff is wrong about this boat and always has been.


She is a well built seaworthy boat. I've had my '77 E32 for 15 years now and I love her. Best boat in this size for the money.


Email me and I'll lay it all out for you if you want.


Dennis


dlafrinere@hotmail.com
04-29-2009 02:20 PM
Endurance32
'82 Endeavour 32'

When you are looking at the Endeavour 32's look for a '79 or newer. The interiors are much nicer IMO than the earlier models. The later models were modified by Bob Johnson, the improvements are reworked coach roof, SOLID teak sole and a better hanging locker. There are other little improvements but these are the most noticable. The later boats also came with a more powerful engine. Mine has the Yanmar 3GM & 22 HP. This is a great engine for this boat, any smaller and you will have a hard time in rough seas.

What to look for, leaking around the ports. My ports were leaking and I had to replace all the teak on the inside of the coach house. This was not expensive maybe about $200.00 and wasn't difficult. What was not fun was cleaning the old chalk off the ports. I ended up replacing all the 5x12's with ABI bronze ports now I need to do the 7x14's. This was easy buy expensive, but it sure looks nice. If your on a tight budget you can replace all the gaskets and lenses on your beckson ports for around $350.00. The ports are the biggest weak link on this boat, but if you look most boats from this era have plastic beckson ports.

The prop walking on the E 32 is an issue to some, I replaced the fixed 2 blade the moment I bought my boat with a Kiwi feathering prop. Mine still prop walks but seeing that I never used the fixed prop I can't say that it improved this problem or not. The issue here is the extreme angle of the prop shaft. There is nothing you can do about it. In time you will use this to your advantage (propwalk), to me its a non-issue.

All in all, I think the Endeavour 32 is the best value in a 32 foot cruiser. Its not slow, it stand up well in a blow and if it gets nasty it doesn't pound. IMO it has a nice classic look to it that will look good for a long time to come. I've done a lot of upgrades to my boat over the past 3 seasons. If you get this boat let me know and I'll help you the best I can with any issues you may run into. The one thing I suggest is get a boat with the 3GM engine or Universal 3 cyclinder, and the shoal draft, if it cost a bit more its money well spent!

04-29-2009 02:14 PM
Brucerobs2 I dont own one but have spent a fair bit of time sailing on an '70 Irwin 32 in the Chesapeake-a very similar boat as others have mentioned. There is both an Irwin 32, and an Endevour 32 in our creek, and they look nearly identical. My buddy owns the Irwin and I have cruised and day sailed on it. Its a nice boat, that sails well, especially when the wind/waves pipe up to the 12-15K+ range. Nice comfortable cockpit too. We've chased each other around in our boats as well. My 1980 Cherubini Hunter 27 seems much faster in light air, but he sails away from me when it gets heavier, as you would expect. I lean over... he goes forward. Perhaps a little sail trim would be in order. He has upgraded much of the things you would expect- deck hardware, winches, some rigging, etc. Give the chainplates a good look on that boat. Not sure if its symptomatic of that boat, but he has had issues there. Keel/CG is great for around here. It has an Atomic 4, but I have no idea if thats original or not. It seems to do the trick. He bought the boat in rough shape and has restored it nicely . I like his boat, it sails well and has beautiful lines too.
04-29-2009 01:39 PM
Csobanc
Endeavour 32

I am looking for a boat in the 30' range as a first boat as well... Have a few questions myself if you would not mind answering...

The size and make of the motor is mentioned a few times here... if the boat would need a new or remanufactured engine, gearbox shaft, seals and prop... any ideas what this would cost?

What year is your boat? I am looking at a few listings and the late '70 boats seem to be avail. around $15K-$18K... is yours a '70s boat? Anything you can recommend looking at (by a novice sailor/buyer before a surveyor is brough in)? Also it seems that these boats come with either centerboard or shoal draft... are they both reliable systems? I was told that the centerboards would need inspection more often due to corrosion problems... Someone at another forum also mentioned that they have a hard time backing out of the slip (under power) turning to port... they do not yet know why, they suspect the screw may need to be replaced with a different type. Any thoughts on this?

Thanks for any additional info you can provide.
02-09-2009 01:04 PM
Endurance32
Endeavour 32 is a great boat.

I would say buy the Endeavour. I have an Endeavour 32 and I would rate it as a very good boat. For it a heavy displacement cruiser its fairly fast as well. I do club races with mine and I can beat pearson 30's Irwin 32's and Cal 29 when the wind picks up over 12 knots.

As to Jeff H's comments I really don't know what he's talking about. The Endeavour 32 is a far superiour boat to the Irwin in every way. The deck hardware is Lewmar winches and Nico/Fico traveler (popular at that time). The cabin sole is solid teak. As to the ports, there Beckson and are on more boats from that era than any other port. Hatches are Atkins Hoyle which in my opinion my excellent bomb proof hatches.

I have done some major upgrades to mine over the past year. I've replaced the beckson ports with ABI Bronze ports, the lewmar 30 winches to Lewmar ST40's, the 2 blade prop was replaced by a Kiwi feathering 3 blade prop. The old sails are gone with new UK 135% Genoa and ASYM spinnaker and a Hood Vectron 2+2 main. I would really suggest Hood over UK when getting new sails. I beefed up the battery capacity from the factory 2 group 27 12 volts to 4 6 volt golf cart batteries for the house and a 12 volt for starting.

As to the sailing abilities of the boat. For a shoal draft (4'2") it will point fairly well, it stands up well in a blow and is very comfortable in heavy seas. I've been in 8-10 waves in Lake Michigan and never pounded unless I was underpower and heading straight into the wave. I personally don't know of any boat that isn't going to pound falling off a 10 foot Lake Michigan wave when hitting it head on.

As for the engine I would only buy a boat with either the Universial 27 hp or the Yanmar 3gm (22hp). This is a heavy boat and needs the power if you get caught offshore in a storm.

Either way I really like my Endeavour 32. For the money I don't think you can find a better boat. In my opinion it is far better than any Hunter, Catalina or Irwin from that period.
10-11-2008 04:55 PM
JilesHinson
1980 Endeavour 32

I purchased a 1980 Endeavour 32 three months ago and love it. I took it from Wrightsville Beach N.C. to Oriental N.C. via the intracoastal waterway. The boat handles well and is very comfortable. I have no complaints and am looking forward to many years of sailing in this shallow draft sweetheart.
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