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|05-12-2009 01:39 PM|
I'm inclined to agree with your mechanic friend.
When my old, old, old Columbia had a raw water cooled Atomic 4 (one of the three that it did) I had to bypass the water heater coil from the engine because the salt water ate the aluminum circuit.
When I repowered with diesel, the Universal's dimensions required repositioning the new water heater that is served by the coolant system of the engine.
It obviously works best when the hot water tank is full ( providing, if you will, a larger heat exchanger in addition to the engine's three inch mounted exchanger.) However, that requires leaving the demand water pump on to keep the water heater full of water when under way. Sometimes the fresh water supply in the main tank is less than enough to keep the water heater full and consequently, it doesn't cool the engine circuit as much.I also don't like to leave the fresh water system "charged" with the pump when underway, since a leak or broken hose will drain the tanks into the bilge.
The mechanic who installed the 25XP was adamant that plumbing in the water heater required a extra coolant tank and overflow recovery system above the level of the water heater to increase the coolants efficiency.
It generally runs 165 degrees F if everything is fine. As I noted before, restriction in the raw water inlet and failure to recover the overflow current would increase the temperature to 190. Not catastrophic, but indicative of a problem.
Check the engine to water heater circuit and make sure the tank coil isn't the problem.If there's not enough water in the tank, the air will heat much faster than water.
|05-12-2009 11:53 AM|
|jongoose||I got back to the boat and picked up the manuel. It looks like if I disconnect the raw water lines on either side of the heat exchanger that should eliminate all but the exhaust elbow as a problem. I will also take the advise to change out the zinc and clean the exchanger while I am at it. Thanks again to everyone. This old farm boy is used to working on tractors and trucks but still learning all the little ins and outs of the boat engine.|
|05-12-2009 08:54 AM|
|lancelot9898||I have a Perkins 4-108 and some years ago experienced overheating of the engine. I had good raw water flow and the thermostat was working properly. Even when removing the heat exchanger there was no blockage in the tubes. However I did clean out the tubes with muric acid and then rodded them, reinstalled it and engine ran cooler. It was just the low efficiency of the heat transfer causing the problem. One other comment is that water is a better heat transfer media than 100% anti freeze so make sure that you have a 50-50 mix.|
|05-12-2009 07:56 AM|
I feel like the problem is on the raw water side, a friend of mine at the marina who is a very good mechanic feels it is on the heat exchanger side. After the engine overheats the relief valve at the hot water heater lets go and I think that is why he feels it is on that side. When I bought the boat in 07 the heat exchanger was hooked back to itself with no fluid in it and did not get hot. I fixed that when I put the new hot water heater in. I checked the thru hull, the strainer and have raw water flow when the cover is off the pump. The impeller is turning, I do not have good water flow out of the exhaust and that is where I left off. I have not done anything with the heat exchanger yet. I appreciate the advice as I am trying to determine were to go next.
|05-11-2009 06:31 PM|
Regrettably, I've had both minor problems, 1) clogged raw water seacock with marine growth for the raw water side, and 2) cracked overflow tank hose for the coolant recovery tank ( in the lazarette, because of the in line water heater on the coolant side) which combined to raise the operating temperature without any apparent leak until I tired to fill the overflow tank from above and noticed the coolant dripping off the lower loop of the tank hose.
The actual crack in the hose was beneath the tank at the nipple (which again, is in the lazarette above the coolant tank and above the water heater) and dripped only the overflow to the shaft log rather than the engne compartment or bilge.
Clean the seacock from within with a bore brush to ensure adequate raw water flow and then check the coolant recovery system at or near your water heater.
Hope this helps. By the way, this is on a Universal 25XP ( actually the Kubota 950 3cyl block).
|05-11-2009 04:49 PM|
Where is the low flow? If it is on the raw water side, then the thermostat is not the problem. The thermostat is on the fresh water side of the system.
If you are not getting good raw water flow, that is a raw water issue:strainer, raw water pump, heat exchanger, exhaust elbow, plugged hose, plugged inlet seacock. When you took the cover off the water pump, did you crack the seacock a little to be sure you have free water flow? If you sucked a plastic bag up the inlet it will shut off water flow and cause overheating. You can probably guess how I know this. If it is a low raw water flow problem, for now confine your troubleshooting to the raw water side of the system.
I also have a 1985 westerbeke. If you have never cleaned out the heat exchanger you're way, way overdue. Frequent replacement of the pencil zinc is a good idea.
|05-11-2009 02:29 PM|
|jongoose||The Westerbeake circa 1985 has a direct mechanical drive no belt to this pump just to the alternator. When I removed the cover to check the impeller I had a friend bump the engine and it was turning. I figure the easiest thing to do next is remove the thermostate and run the engine. If it still overheats then I move to the heat exchanger which is much harder to get to and work on. I guess that is sound reasoning?|
|05-11-2009 02:02 PM|
|timebandit||A loose belt?|
|05-11-2009 01:41 PM|
Originally Posted by jongoose View Post
If you've checked the strainer and have good flow from the seacock, then it's probably either the raw water pump, the heat exchanger or the exhaust elbow. The impeller may be failed but not look it - take off the cover and turn the pump with the belt by hand - make sure the impeller itself is in fact rotating. Then check the heat exchanger and the exhaust elbow.
|05-11-2009 12:14 PM|
Ever little bit of info helps. Now I have to find time to get back and go to work diagnosing one thing at a time.
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