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05-20-2009 01:18 PM
fendertweed I do 90%+ day sailing on my Pearson 26 on the Potomac R. where it gets wide S. of Mt. Vernon/Mason Neck. I motor (15hp Merc 2 stroke) about 30-60 mins. to get out the channel and back. Once I'm out it's then 90% sailing.

I did a 200 NM round trip last fall to the mouth of the Potomac/Ches. Bay & back, and was motoring about 2/3 of the time due to wind, tides, etc.

I'm singlehanding 75+% of the time.
05-18-2009 11:24 AM
Cruisingdad This is going to sound funny, but there was a time when I would sail - no matter what. I didn't care if the boat was just sitting there still, it was a sailboat and we were going to get our nickle out of our time on it.

Times changed for us - especially when we went to live aboard. I had nothing to prove. In fact, there were many times (and still are) where the wind is great and we still motor. I remember reading All In The Same Boat by Tom Neale. He said something in there about most live aboards never sailing to weather (and always motoring). I have come to agree with that. Now in full disclosure, he was always on a motor sailor which is not exactly known for its fine sailing abilities... but I still agree. We would do the same and at times, still do.

Funny thing now is that my new boat seems to perform its best when close hauled. I enjoy putting the rail in the water sometimes and getting the thrill of zipping around. But typically, with the kids down below playing or Kris cooking something - I will fall off or crank up the engine without remorse. I could care less what anyone else thinks and I am out there to have fun and make it enjoyable FOR EVERYONE!!

Regarding trawlers...

I love many of them. In fact, one of my most favorite boats in teh world is the Nordhavn (as many people here know). We came EXTREMELY close to buying one and it is only by crazy chance we ended up in a sailboat again. At the time, we had totally decided against sailing.

Trawlers have many benefits: They motor better than the typical sailboat, most of them can make better time, they are extremely efficient (depending on the trawler), and they have vastly more useable living space (one of our key reasons for considering them). If you have not been down inside a well founded trawler like a nordhavn or maybe a Kadey-Krogen or Cape Horn, do yourself a favor and take a look at them sometime. They are really outstanding. But all trawlers have one vital flaw that many of us have an issue getting over: you are 100% dependent on a motor. Motors fail, and they always seem to fail at the most inapprorpiate time. At least with a sailboat when 1000 miles out at sea, you can wait for the wind. And how many of us have not had to sail back into the marina? I have. It is a tough trade off to come to grips with.

So anyways, back to motoring in a sailboat, I have no taboo against it. I will do whichever one makes the most sense at the time and is the most comfortable. But I can certainly see how other's opinions may vary.

- Brian
05-18-2009 10:27 AM
christyleigh
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Originally Posted by MoonSailer View Post
All is good. On rainy days I envy those in powerboats all warm and dry in their pilothouses On hot windless days I envy the air conditioned pilot houses. If I didn't love sailing I'd own a trawler or a houseboat.
Aaa....yup..... That's why I chose all of the above I can't motor at 20kts or sail in light air like a J-Boat but it works for me. Lots of compromises ....... but lots of choices
05-17-2009 05:27 PM
MoonSailer Yes Sawingknots the sailboat has been passed by powerboats and trains and planes and automobiles. Enjoy motoring all you desire!!!! My point is that if you find yourself enjoying motoring most of the time why not get a powerboat??? Almost any powerboat will outrun a sailboat!!!! And that stick in the middle can prevent you from going under bridges to explore new waters!!! I really don't care if every sailer keeps on their sail covers and motor 100% of the time. All is good. On rainy days I even those in powerboats all warm and dry in their pilothouses On hot windless days I envy the air conditioed pilot houses. If I didn't love sailing I'd own a trawler or a houseboat.
05-17-2009 10:58 AM
sawingknots do you know any sailors who use modern medicines rather than herbs,roots etc,I figure if I have to put up with the disavantages of progress I may as well reap the advantages too,I motor whenever it suits my mood and circumstances
05-17-2009 09:39 AM
MoonSailer Yep been there done that!!! It sucks to have to motor all day to get back to the dock so that you can go to work!!! We all have had to motor at times. I guess my point is that a sailboat's purpose is sailing. If you want to go somewhere a sailboat is not a great option. Most of the time I want to "go sailing" and my plans are made according to wind conditions. Drifting along bird watching is fun as is screaming along with the rail buried. I find it almost as much fun sailing at 2-3 knots as at hull speed. But all is good..enjoy.
05-17-2009 09:32 AM
CaptainForce As posted earlier, I do a lot of motoring at between 6.5 & 7 knots when it pleases me. What would a trawler do for me? I still love to sail when it pleases me. Shouldn't the boat being doing best when it serves the pleasure of the captain? I see many sailboats sailing, but I've never seen a trawler trawling! 'take care and joy, Aythya crew
05-17-2009 02:12 AM
nk235
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Originally Posted by MoonSailer View Post
When cruising isn't staying at anchor an option on windless days??? I have seen many sailboats motoring on perfectly good sailing days. But there is nothing wrong with anything!!!! But if you find yourself motoring a lot you might consider a trawler!!! When I finally get to go long term cruising I will try to sail with the wind aft of the mast 10-15 knots. Given the choice of staying at anchor or motoring for hours I will probably stay at anchor. But that is just me. I have considered buying a trawler. There are advantages.
if retired or with no job, my outlook would be 100% different as I could have no agenda and do as I please but as many people, I do work full time and don't have that luxury yet. I love to sail and do it a lot daysailing during the week and while cruising on the weekends when there is wind. I also love to visit different ports as weekend getaways often times meeting friends on their boats. If there is no wind I'm not going to just sit at anchor, I'm going to turn on my motor and get there. Would I rather be sailing, yes, but it also doesn't bother me. Also as a 25 year old all my friends my age have power boats and get there in a 1/8 the time so believe me I have considered a power boat, but in no way think I would ever be happy with one as you loose sailing all together.
05-16-2009 08:31 PM
MoonSailer When cruising isn't staying at anchor an option on windless days??? I have seen many sailboats motoring on perfectly good sailing days. But there is nothing wrong with anything!!!! But if you find yourself motoring a lot you might consider a trawler!!! When I finally get to go long term cruising I will try to sail with the wind aft of the mast 10-15 knots. Given the choice of staying at anchor or motoring for hours I will probably stay at anchor. But that is just me. I have considered buying a trawler. There are advantages.
05-16-2009 06:22 PM
nk235
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Originally Posted by MoonSailer View Post
My question is why own a sailboat if you motor most of the time???? A trawler makes more sense if you love to motor. A big useless stick on a motorboat makes no sense at all. As a way to attract lightening??? As extra windage during a storm. The only way a sailboat makes sense is if you sail a lot of th etime.
I don't think there was one person on here who actually said they LIKE to motor...Also I don't think I have met one person who prefers to go .5 knts for 10+ hours in 90 degree heat with the sails flapping on a day with no wind when you have plans to overnight at a certain destination. I think we can all agree FOR CRUISING if we can sail it is by far the way to go even if you get there a little slower BUT if you are trying to get somewhere and there is no wind you are going to motor whether you love to sail or not. And for some people that happens more often than not due to their boat and location. For instance on the Long Island Sound between July and August the conditions I described are typical 60% of the time.

No for day sailing when you are not trying to get anywhere it is a total different story.
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