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06-05-2009 07:47 PM
AKscooter I am not sure about the RCMP...but I can tell ya about the coasties in Valdez Alaska. I am in my whaler trolling.......they come flying up in their RIB with a man on the fifty and several guys with m16's. Safety inspection my arse. I am tired of how this country has gone the way of authoritarianism. Land of the free my arse. No you cannot board my home. I am tired of thinking of the "children". No, it is about the money...that is all it is.
06-05-2009 11:05 AM
AE28
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Originally Posted by Cruisingdad View Post
The US and Canada are friends....
- CD
Brian:
I didn't want to re-post your entire comment, but, well put, well said and I agree!!!
Paul
06-05-2009 10:22 AM
eherlihy
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Originally Posted by sailaway21 View Post
In defense of boardings, which are nothing more than a hassle when you come right down to it, it's not the tenth of September 2001 anymore. I'd imagine that if you're the RCMP or the USCG your attitude might justifiably be, "not on my watch."

...

Be polite and they'll go away. Be polite and when the heat in on to meet their quota they'll board the ***** they remember. And be very glad that when Johnny Jihad figures the best way to get into the US with his stash of cocaine to fund his operations, that the Mounties are there, with those fifty caliber thru-hull makers.
This brings to mind another quote,

Quote:
Those who would sacrifice freedom for security deserve neither.
- Benjamin Franklin

Also, and God help me for ever quoting this guy; Rush Limbaugh says that "we didn't become a great nation by acting fearful, but by being free, and that we won't stay great by ceasing to be free. "

Again, I applaud John for knowing where the line in the sand is, and holding to it.
06-05-2009 12:12 AM
ScuzzMonkey
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Originally Posted by sailaway21 View Post
And be very glad that when Johnny Jihad figures the best way to get into the US with his stash of cocaine to fund his operations, that the Mounties are there, with those fifty caliber thru-hull makers.
I think that you, and a lot of people, seem to think this approach is more effective than it actually is. As I mentioned a couple of pages ago, all this muscle and bluster doesn't make them look tough and intimidating; it makes them look silly, because they are all go-fast and gunned up and still don't catch some of the most obvious offenses or a tenth of the drug traffic across the border.

Needlessly inconveniencing Joe Citizen may make some people feel safer, but all the real bad people are just sitting back laughing.

Having said that, I think there are some distinctions to be made... I find US Customs and Border Protection to be the worst offender. I've never been boarded by the Coast Guard but in all my other dealings with them both north and south of the border I've found them polite, humble, and focused on the task at hand. I have no doubt that, in the event they were to detect criminal wrongdoing, those same fresh-faced youngsters would spring into deadly and effective action, but it's all the more impressive they don't feel a need to swagger over their capability. In personal experience, and I don't doubt this is true for many of you, I've nearly always found those with the most swagger are some of the least capable (in any arena).

If I were a haji I'd smirk and play the game with the tough guys... I'd worry about the friendly grandmotherly looking types like Diana Dean instead. And if I wasn't doing anything wrong, I'd be a lot more proud of my country with someone like that welcoming me back than someone packing a lot of attitude and very little intellect.
06-04-2009 11:44 PM
johnvye
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So put your boat on the market and move to New York City! Most of all, quit yer' bitchin'.
Oh, you had to go and get personal, didn't you. I want our country to be uniquely different. Not the same. Get it ? There is way too much policing out on the water. It's getting absurd. This is my last word on the subject. Cheer away !
06-04-2009 10:02 PM
camaraderie John...yes. I am sure. It was a Supreme court decision. And Scotty is correct...it is USCG only...not anyone else. Of course...if they discover something...then a warrant might be issued for the cops to execute.
06-04-2009 09:32 PM
scottyt
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Are you sure the U.S. Coast Guard has the right to board and search your boat at anchor? Has this been put to a test in court ? This is your residence and it may turn out they have absolutely no right to board you at anchor. If nobody has contested it, it simply becomes "normal".
yes the USCG has the right to board any vessel in our waters at any time, motoring, sailing, anchored or tied up. it has been tested lots of times by drug runners. they are allowed to do a safety inspection as much as they want.

as much sense that it makes the police cant come aboard with out a warrant or permission but the USCG can. here in baltimore city we have 4 sets of cops to deal with, the USCG, the marine police who get their power from the state DOT, the DNR, and baltimore city police who have no jurisdiction except what they get from the guns they carry. the city has a bunch of boats and about the only thing they can do is for drinking, although they try to do more. most of the city cops just let you do your thing, and if they have a problem they call in the marine police. there is one who harassed me a bunch of times over my stickers when i bought my boat. i had sent in the title and a bill of sale for the boat and i had a copy of the bill of sale. every time he saw me he threatened to impound my boat, even when under the 30 days allowed to title it. then when a screw up happened and i got a letter extending the 30 days due to issues at DNR of losing my old title ( who does boat titles and stickers ) he kept harassing me.

welcome the the 21st century when the .gov thinks they are all mighty
06-04-2009 09:14 PM
erps It's my recollection that courts have ruled that the U.S.C.G. has authority to do safety inspections, certainly while the boat is underway, and that includes authority to go down below and check your head and fire extinguishers. I frankly don't know what their authority is while at anchor. Both Border Patrol and Coast Guard have broad authority to search vessels that have nexus to the border.

Bosun, are you still there?
06-04-2009 09:10 PM
sailaway21
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Originally Posted by johnvye View Post
The seemingly endless boardings are a relatively new tactic in our lives in British Columbia. I certainly don't want to give the opinion the the Mounties I have encountered on the water are gruff or mean in any way. Are you sure the U.S. Coast Guard has the right to board and search your boat at anchor? Has this been put to a test in court ? This is your residence and it may turn out they have absolutely no right to board you at anchor. If nobody has contested it, it simply becomes "normal".
Having armed officers entering your residence at will is simply unacceptable.
This is why I won't bring my boat south of the border. A lot of boaters in B.C. are, quite frankly, too intimidated to cross the line. I have heard an unsubstantiated story of a boat at anchor being boarded by the U.S. Coast Guard at night and the occupants made to stand on the foredeck while the vessel is being searched. Nothing was found and several boaters got quite upset over the whole thing. Rightly so.
If the RCMP ever get the right to board my boat at anchor without a warrant in Canada, I will put my boat on the market and find something else to do for fun. I am tired of the politics of "fear", "shock and awe" and too many unnecessary encounters with law enforcement. I live along the border and perhaps see a lot of government vessels scurrying around but at the end of the day, what have they actually accomplished except waste a lot of fuel and manpower. Fun work if you can get it....

So put your boat on the market and move to New York City! Most of all, quit yer' bitchin'. Maybe you ought to try the Red Sea or the Gulf of Aden. I here Somalia is nice this time of year.

You know, if I was trying to smuggle contraband or some type of terrorist device into the US, I'd think that I'd get a sailboat to do it on. I'd put a nice big Canadian flag on the stern, try to look stupidly offended at every opportunity, and rely on the fact that security forces have to deal with Canadians all the time. (My apologies to the otherwise rational Canadians out there; you know whom you are.)
06-04-2009 09:04 PM
sailaway21 In defense of boardings, which are nothing more than a hassle when you come right down to it, it's not the tenth of September 2001 anymore. I'd imagine that if you're the RCMP or the USCG your attitude might justifiably be, "not on my watch."

Admittedly, we've become spoiled over the years by the open borders between the two nations. From an American's perspective, it's been interesting. Now Canada joins the list of mental institutions requiring a clearance to visit. (just kidding!)

Be polite and they'll go away. Be polite and when the heat in on to meet their quota they'll board the ***** they remember. And be very glad that when Johnny Jihad figures the best way to get into the US with his stash of cocaine to fund his operations, that the Mounties are there, with those fifty caliber thru-hull makers.
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