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08-13-2009 09:41 AM
mikehoyt We were moving well but fighting a tidal current approaching a windward mark. We had to head up to windward and lost momentum. Took minutes to get the boat back up to speed due to tides, wind shifts, etc...

After this guy did this he yelled something like we should be in his way ....

His penance is that he has a pink spinnaker....

Actually we then tacked on him next tack and screwed him. The boat he was racing against in his OD class was a friend of ours that then sailed clear and thanked us later a they won the race....

Mike
08-13-2009 08:51 AM
zz4gta
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Originally Posted by mikehoyt View Post
BobD

Some guys are just not friendly and are a_oles. Had someone try to tack under us when we were on stbd and they on port while we were both racing in different classes. He held too long and we had to alter course to avoid impact. In that case the other boat was plain inconsiderate and also broke the rules.

Mike
I always found this funny, all the boat did was put herself into a position that they couldn't tack out of (pinned on the hip) and now will eat dirty air and probably get rolled by your boat that is up to speed. Besides the fact that it made you alter your course, that's just stupid tactics. Only one way to "teach" these types, throw the flag, go to the room, and get em tossed.
08-13-2009 06:37 AM
mikehoyt BobD

Some guys are just not friendly and are a_oles. Had someone try to tack under us when we were on stbd and they on port while we were both racing in different classes. He held too long and we had to alter course to avoid impact. In that case the other boat was plain inconsiderate and also broke the rules.

Mike
08-13-2009 12:11 AM
RobGallagher Sounds like just another Wed. night trying to avoid the wannabees in my area. They think that just because they use their boat for two hours a week the own the ocean.

My favorite was when I was "reminded" that there was a race going on as I was setting my anchor in a popular anchorage.

I guess we should choose where we anchor based on what night of the week it is. I think I'll also start avoiding channels marked with aids to navigation/racing marks so as not to upset anyone.

Now that I'm on a rant... How can someone be trusted as crew when they can't properly park a car? Really, how hard is it to understand that some people might need to leave a marina on Wed. night BEFORE the racing ends? This has to be the only sport where participants regularly block in other peoples parked cars.

I won't start on what the "OTB" crew do to marina rest rooms.

I guess if you can't park a car without bocking someone else in or piss INTO the urinal you get to be picked first for the dodgeball team.

Sorry for the rant, just came home from a cruise to another Wed. night surrounded by idiots.
08-12-2009 03:49 PM
lat42lon71 Mike,
Boat 1 and 2 made only one tack Stbd to Port. Both boats altered subsequent directions on Port tacks.
Boat 2 was not tacking to stbd under me, he was still port.

Not really looking for what I should have or could have done. My actions were safe, appropriate and courteous and not assertively aggressive. Again, looking for cultural racing attitude that would compel Boat 2 to make the maneuver, and whether a privileged attitude is prevalent. From the small sample within this thread, I expect this guy was an anomaly.

BobD
Boston
08-12-2009 09:51 AM
mikehoyt Re-reading initial post it appears that the second boat executed a tack just under your bow and expected you to hold your course. His reply "We're racing" was likely to mean that they saw you the whole way and were tacking to stbd tack just under you. Sometimes people doing this push it a bit too far and are a bit late resulting in the stbd tack boat forced to alter course.

I may be incorrect but it almost reads to me from your initial decription that they were treating you as they would any other boat racing on the course. They were respecting your rights but not giving you more than a boat width of space. hence "we're racing". Of course I could be wrong ....

I still maintain that you had no need to be anywhere near them and may have been holding your course a little long only to assert your rights to sail there....

Mike
08-10-2009 02:51 PM
sailor25b The whole thing could have been avoided with two clicks on the autopilot. It's common sense, and common courtesy.
08-10-2009 02:04 PM
merlin2375 Sounds like your average day in boston harbor...with some idiot that thinks that coming in 6th place instead of 7th is worth life, limb and property

The rules exist for a reason and they work because we're all supposed to adhere to the same rules (racers get no special rights).

Like everyone else said, from a purely personal standpoint. If you see a race fleet just stay away from them. Those guys are crazy
08-10-2009 01:31 PM
mikehoyt I would hope that the "Port Port" was someone on the other boat's crew addressing the helmsman.

The only problem with non racing boats in a race course is that non racers may react differently than racers in the same situation. A Port tack boat can cross in front of a stbd tack boat and will often cross with less than three feet between his transom and the bow of the stbd boat. In a race typically the Stbd boat knows this is going to happen and is prepared for it and holds course. If someone not accustomed to this starts taking evasive action by steering low at last seconds they might in fact make an action that could cause a collision. That is probably the only difference between racing and non racing boats,

Another point. With 300 feet of warning it would have been very easy for you to steer a course that would have avoided this situation altogether. yes you did have the classic Stbd-Port rights over the other boats but why push it when it does nothing to help you? Also being on auto pilot in such a situation seems silly. 2 -3 seconds to disengage is 2 -3 seconds you may not have.

Sorry to be blunt. You had right of way but probably should have steered clear long before the incident occurred.

Mike
08-06-2009 01:15 PM
DrB
Racers have no special rights

So the skipper of "Race" Boat 2 was wrong when he said "We're racing", implying that they had special rights because they were racing.

And I agree with Hesper, 10 feet isn't "close" when racing. When you get to a few feet, that is a little dicey. However, my wife thinks that if two boats are within 300 ft, they're too close to each other.

Again, not saying that you did anything incorrectly, but I would have been a little more attentive to the situation and positioned myself further from the two boats, earlier than later, to avoid an potential conflicts. You were the boat with the Standon Rights and the race boat was not more privileged because they were racing.

DrB
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