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08-15-2009 10:07 PM
Ringding Thanks for the input. I have catalina 22 and the only purpose of the light is so I can anchor and not have to pay dockage fees.
As for the light setup. I think I like the suggestion by Mainesail with the Polarstar bulb and Aquasignal 40. The reason is, if the bulb burns out, I can easily change it. I am not sure about the OMG light. If it has a changeable bulb or not, I can't really tell.

If I go with the aforementioned setup, what size amp hour battery will I need to get? And what type/size (watts/amps/volts) of solar charger will I need to keep the battery up? Correct me if I am wrong, but with the apparent 1 watt rating of the bulb the draw on the battery is minisucle and can easily stay on all the time as long as I get a decent battery/charger.
College math apparently did me little good!
Again thanks for the input.

Link to photodiode switch that I was considering. But it is probably unneccesary with the right battery/charger.
AQUALARM :: 20392 Automatic Anchor Light Switch $69.00
08-14-2009 12:16 AM
jarcher
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Originally Posted by hellosailor View Post
Depending on who you ask and who you believe, LEDs may lose half their brightness after 10,000 hours of use. Or 5,000 or 50,000, depending on who you ask.
Well if i take the 5,000 hour estimate, I guess my Aqua Signal deck mounted nav lights will last only about 24 years, based on my use.
08-13-2009 05:49 PM
hellosailor Depending on who you ask and who you believe, LEDs may lose half their brightness after 10,000 hours of use. Or 5,000 or 50,000, depending on who you ask.

So if you take 10,000 hours, divide by 24 hours per day, leave the LED on all the time...that's some 416 days before the LED is at half-brightness, which isn't a good thing. Leave it turned OFF during the daylight hours...and you obvisouly double the life, or more.

Then the only question is whether OGM, or anyone else, will quote you a number of hours and send someone out to climb your mast and replace the LED if it dims sooner than that.

FWIW, I've seen a number of Leviton brand white LED night lights (junk from China) go from "incredible" to "is that on?" in only 18 months of near continuous use.
08-13-2009 04:17 PM
surftom I have the OGM tri-photo-strobe. Expensive but it is rock solid and draws very little. I could have rolled my own but decided to go the OGM route based on reading this forum and have not regretted the decision one bit.
08-13-2009 03:56 PM
jarcher
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Originally Posted by Maine Sail View Post
Yup I would be afraid to turn much of anything on especially if you are sailing off the hook or live on a mooring.

90ah to 50% depth of discharge (max draw down) = 45 usable amp hours. If on the hook or charging using only an alternator figure you'll only ever get back to roughly 80% of that 90ah capacity. So you now have only 72 ah's total available leaving you only 22 usable ah's before you hit a 50% depth of discharge. A 22 ah bank is barely enough to be safe if you needed your running lights. Of course you can always go below 50% DOD but you'll be shortenting the battery life..
Yup! For now I pretty much only use the running lights (also LED - Aqua Signal Series 32) when the evening race runs long. I have yet to actually use the anchor light to anchor or use the mast head nav lights.

I also have a 90 AHr starter battery and a 1-all-2 switch. These batteries are from Walmart. They came with the boat. In the Spring I plan to replace them with actual quality batteries and add a 110VAC chargeing system. But, I do much more racing than cruising, so the batteries will be as small and light as I can safely get away with. Plus, the battery compartment is pretty small.

But as you said, for now, I turn on only what I need - VHF, GPS, instruments and when needed nav lights.
08-13-2009 03:15 PM
Maine Sail
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Originally Posted by jarcher View Post
I only have a single 90 AHr house battery. I figure turning off a light that is not needed never hurts.

Yup I would be afraid to turn much of anything on especially if you are sailing off the hook or live on a mooring.

90ah to 50% depth of discharge (max draw down) = 45 usable amp hours. If on the hook or charging using only an alternator figure you'll only ever get back to roughly 80% of that 90ah capacity. So you now have only 72 ah's total available leaving you only 22 usable ah's before you hit a 50% depth of discharge. A 22 ah bank is barely enough to be safe if you needed your running lights. Of course you can always go below 50% DOD but you'll be shortenting the battery life..
08-13-2009 12:59 PM
jarcher I only have a single 90 AHr house battery. I figure turning off a light that is not needed never hurts.
08-13-2009 09:14 AM
Maine Sail
I have to ask

I have to ask? With an LED drawing very, very little current why would you also want a photo diode? The reason to turn on and off incandescent bulbs with a photo eye is to save relatively large amounts of amp hours.

For example my old anchor light was a 20 watt incandescent bulb and it drew 1.7 amps per hour, or 17 amp hours for a ten hour run. My current LED anchor light draws 1 amp hour for every ten hours of use or 1700% less consumption! An extra couple of hours does make a difference when using an incandescent but not so much with LED.

I now have a Dr. LED Polarstar 40 bulb in an AquaSignal Series 40 all/round anchor light fixture. This is technically a USCG approved combination. It draws roughly .1 amps per hour. That is still only 2.4 amp hours in a 24 hour period.

I still don't see a need for a photo electric eye to turn it on and off unless you have other reasons than I would for using an LED anchor light.

This is the combo:

Close up of Polarstar 40 bulb:

Anchor Light #1:

Photo of different bulbs:


P.S. The bulb is $41.99 (Defender) and the fixture can be found for between $50.00 & $65.00 depending upon the vendor. I paid under $100.00 for this set up and it's BRIGHT!!!!!..
08-13-2009 05:19 AM
jarcher Those OGM lights are extremely, extremely well made. They use about 0.5 amp when on, which is very little power. I installed an OGM nav/anchor/strobe with photo diode on my masthead. These things are sturdy, small and water tight.

I suggest you not roll your own light or photo switch. Do some searching here for OGM and you'll find many threads where this is discussed. Basically, you want a fixture that is USCG approved. That means you have to use it exactly as it was approved. If you change the bulb, it has to be the same bulb.

This is in case you get into an accident. If your stuff is modified or not approved then you give the person suing you (or who you are suing) an excuse to claim the accident was at least in part your fault.
08-13-2009 04:10 AM
noelex77
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Originally Posted by Ringding View Post

Are there cheaper options like the Attwood all around LED light combined with a third party photodiode switch? Both the light and the diode switch are each around $60? So roughly the cost of the OGM light.
Not many LED lights have a photo diode. The reason is that the photo diode circuit consumes some electricity both when the light is off and on. Although the consumption is only small it is difficult to design a circuit that will consume much less electricity than leaving the LED on longer, even 24hrs.

Some solar panel regulators have a circuit that will switch on and off when the solar output drops a night.
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