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08-31-2009 09:24 PM
This Sucks!

talked to my parents..... dont think we have enough time to do it so i told them that we dont have to do so much of the things i want to do on weekends. so then they said they dont want me getting a job until at least awhile through the first quarter in school so they know if i could handle a job....

I am so bummed....
08-31-2009 08:50 PM
nereussailor My thoughts are a little different on boat size. I went the route that you are looking at taking and wish that I wouldn't have. My boats with cabins started with A west Wight Potter P-19. It was a fun little boat to sail, but only big enough for two comfortably. Then moved up to a Mac 26S. It was a semi comfortable boat for three, maybe four. but I'm a big guy, and the porta-potty was a pain to use and empty. The rear aft berth was great, like a king size bed. the port berth was a little short for me, but ok for someone under about 5'10". There was no headroom, and ducking and kneeling to cook or do anything wasn't fun. It sailed poorly, and you needed to reef in 15 kt winds or all you would do is round up.
I then bought a fixer upper Hunter 30. It has great headroom and I'm 6'1'' It will hold four comfortably and has a head with a shower and MSD. The Galley is small but works. Ice box, 2 burner alcohol stove, sink, and some storage. I added a grill on the stern rail to keep the heat out of the galley and use it for almost all of the cooking.
It sails great, isn't trailerable, but well worth the comfort. I should have bought the H30 first, but hindsight is 20/20. You can find them from the late 70's or early 80's for around $8k-15k depending on how much work you want to do to it.

08-31-2009 11:49 AM
Originally Posted by BoatKid5 View Post
what is the difference from the porta-pottie and a marine toilets with MSD's and holding tanks???
A porta-potty is a portable toilet. It contains flush water and a sewage tank in one unit that comes off your boat (usually in two pieces). You have to put fresh flush water in the integral tank, and some chemical (cheap stuff) deoderant/biodegrader) in the holding tank. You use it, flush it, and at the end of the season or when the tank is full, you remove the tank from your boat and dump it in a toilet. The best porta-pottys are tall enough and big enough to sit on comfortably. They aren't all that expensive (about $150 for a good one), and generally need to be replaced every 5-8 years as the seals between the tanks degrade.

An MSD (marine sanitation device) is a "real" toilet. They tend to be much more complicated than a household unit as they need to draw in flush water from outside and then flush to a holding tank on board, all with one handle. The holding tank needs to be periodically emptied. This is as unpleasant as it sounds. The pump out is done usually via a deck fitting and hose. Many marinas have a service to do this for a fee. In some "no discharge areas", some states provide free or low cost pump out services.

If you are going to mostly daysail and overnight only occasionally, a porta-potty is the way to go. Dumping treated pee into a toilet is no big deal (note that you can't dump into a septic tank; the chemical will kill the good bacteria that breakdown all that nasty stuff). If however you intend to really cruise and be aboard for days at a time, you probably do need an MSD. This means the added headaches of maintaining the internal plumbing, but does free you from the need to constantly find a toilet where you can dump the porta-potty. If you want some good, gross-out fun, check out the various threads here concerning head maintenance. I would bet that it is the number two (no pun intended) most discussed topic on this site, right after "what boat should I buy?".
08-31-2009 11:24 AM
BoatKid5 what is the difference from the porta-pottie and a marine toilets with MSD's and holding tanks???
08-31-2009 11:24 AM
mstern Kid: the Catalina 25 sounds like a great boat for you. I think it is simply the best value 25 foot coastal cruiser/weekender out there. There are usually a bunch available at any one time (tends to keep prices down!), so don't get fixated on a particular boat as another will always come along.

There were so many of these boats built that there are various incarnations to choose from. The primary "options" are pop-top vs. fixed coach roof; tall rig vs. std; dinette vs. fold down table; fin keel vs. swing keel. My 2 cents (adjusted for inflation) on the most important choices in order of importance: pop-top, fixed keel, dinette model with tall rig. Why? If you intend to spend any time at all in the cabin, you want the pop top. It gives you standing headroom in the cabin. A nice extra is if your boat comes with the canvass side panels that "enclose" the open pop top. The fixed keel boat sails better than the swing keel, is lower maintenance and for my money, is safer (I don't want all of the boat's ballast held on by one pin). Of course, if you intend to trailer the boat, you need the swing keel; in fact, it becomes the driving factor in picking the boat. I like the dinette better than the drop table; its a personal thing. The drop table gives you more room below when it is swung up to the bulkhead, but if you intend to eat below, I like the dinette. And if you have little kids, the dinette is a perfect place for them to play. The need for the tall rig is really dependent on where you sail. Light winds? You want the tall rig. Lots of bridges? Maybe the standard is more convenient.

If you are comparing two different choices, don't forget to take overall condition into account. The condition of the boat (and the outboard) is just as important as any of the factors listed above. In any case, the C25 is a terrific boat, and you will be very happy. Good luck and let us know what you bought.
08-31-2009 11:18 AM
jim77 Catalina 25 would be an excellent choice. For Chesapeake Bay sailing I would recommend a shoal draft model. A sail inventory of a jib and mainsail is certainly all you need to get started. Stay away friom the McGregors. You can find a list of surveyors for your area on the BoatU.S. website BoatUS Home Page
08-31-2009 11:03 AM
BoatKid5 looked at the c&c 26 looks like a very nice boat also. However the seem to be more expensive and i dont have the biggest budget. Also none are available near me...
08-31-2009 01:22 AM
captainbr Another boat you might want to consider is the C & C 26. There were not a lot produced. We owned two which we used for teaching our beginner sailing classes in a five-day live-aboard format. The boat has the same beam as the 30', 10' and has five berths over 6'. Inboard engine and a proper head. Huge amount of storage under the port pilot berth.

Your offer to purchase should normally contain the following "subject to" clauses:
Satisfactory survey covering the hull and rig,
mechanical inspection covering the engine and sea-trial where you go for a sail and check all systems and see if you like how she handles.

Good sailing with whatever you decide.
08-30-2009 09:42 PM
Originally Posted by BoatKid5 View Post
pretty sure that i like the Catalina 25-----what is a marine survey and where can i get more information on them.
It's almost always a wise move to get a boat properly 'surveyed' prior to purchase - and in many cases, esp if financing is involved the bank and/or the insurance carrier will require one. It is a thorough inspection that will detail any problems with the boat, stress the good things and provide an estimated market value.. any initial offer should be made subject to a satisfactory survey and sea trial.

It's much like a home inspection, but of course more specialized. Marine surveyors can be found in most boating areas, there are societies and organizations that they belong to, so it depends just where you are. Word of mouth is another good way of getting a good one. Generally you do not want to use a surveyor recommended by the seller or his/her broker. You need a clear unbiased independent report.

The several hundred dollars spent is a good investment even if you choose to pass on that boat - better a few hundred less in your wallet than ending up with a bad boat or one that will immediately cost you thousands in repairs.

The simpler the boat, generally the less costly the survey. On larger boats a separate rigging inspection, and a mechanical survey is also good practice.
08-30-2009 08:39 PM
BoatKid5 pretty sure that i like the Catalina 25-----what is a marine survey and where can i get more information on them.
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