SailNet Community - Reply to Topic

   Search Sailnet:

 forums  store  


Quick Menu
Forums           
Articles          
Galleries        
Boat Reviews  
Classifieds     
Search SailNet 
Boat Search (new)

Shop the
SailNet Store
Anchor Locker
Boatbuilding & Repair
Charts
Clothing
Electrical
Electronics
Engine
Hatches and Portlights
Interior And Galley
Maintenance
Marine Electronics
Navigation
Other Items
Plumbing and Pumps
Rigging
Safety
Sailing Hardware
Trailer & Watersports
Clearance Items

Advertise Here






Go Back   SailNet Community > Skills and Seamanship > Learning to Sail > Sailing "Downwind"
 Not a Member? 


Thread: Sailing "Downwind" Reply to Thread
Title:
  

By choosing to post the reply below you agree to the rules you agreed to when joining Sailnet.
Click Here to view those rules.

Message:
Trackback:
Send Trackbacks to (Separate multiple URLs with spaces) :
Post Icons
You may choose an icon for your message from the following list:
 

Register Now

In order to be able to post messages on the SailNet Community forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.
Please note: After entering 3 characters a list of Usernames already in use will appear and the list will disappear once a valid Username is entered.
User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.
Password:
Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.
Email Address:

Log-in

Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.



Click here to view the posting rules you are bound to when clicking the
'Submit Reply' button below


Additional Options
Miscellaneous Options

Click here to view the posting rules you are bound to when clicking the
'Submit Reply' button below


Topic Review (Newest First)
09-03-2009 05:22 PM
AdamLein You might not have to take your mast down to add spinnaker halyard gear at the masthead. The tail of the halyard runs up the front of the mast through a fairlead to a block perched several inches forward of the masthead. If it's anything like the masthead on my Catalina 27 (and my impression is that a lot of the rigging is the same or similar), your masthead will already be designed to accept a spinnaker halyard block:



If that's the case you can go up in the bosun's chair to add the block and fairlead.

Got any pictures of your masthead?
09-03-2009 04:34 PM
SpcAlan1 Would I have to take my mast down to add a new halyard? ( I would expect so ).

I have a 150 Genoa. What would I benefit from using it and another sail at the same time.

My Catalina would look like a pirate ship with 3 sails, hahaha
09-03-2009 04:25 PM
Sailormon6 Racing with twin headsails is generally prohibited, unless the sailing instructions for the particular race expressly allow them, but, if you're not racing and don't have a spinnaker, it's a good way to get downwind in a hurry. You'd think the boat would get squirrelly with that much sail up in a breeze, but it's surprisingly stable. If there's enough wind, you can even get by without a pole. If you'll trim the one opposite the boom a little bit further aft, it will stay filled most of the time.

SpcAlan1, it's very easy to add an extra jib or spinnaker halyard to a Catalina 25, and it's a good thing to have. All you need is to add a cleat to your mast, a snatch block, a piece of line and one or two shackles.
09-03-2009 01:56 PM
US27inKS
Quote:
Originally Posted by Faster View Post
And nobody protested you for that? Not sure it's strictly legal, nor is your rating likely to reflect that sail area.....

But as you saw, it works well...
We discussed the legality before putting it up. The consensus was that we wouldn't be protested for flying a spin but not taking down the jib, so what's the difference. We're the slowest boat in the fleet anyway, and the rest of the fleet had their hands too full with their own boat (many broaches that day) to look back at what we were doing.
09-03-2009 09:52 AM
SpcAlan1 Hmm.. flying 2 head sails...
I wonder if I could do that...

I don't think so, since I have only 1 halyard ( and that is my roller ).
09-03-2009 09:46 AM
Faster
Quote:
Originally Posted by US27inKS View Post
....The result was flying 2 headsails plus the main, and going more than a knot over hull speed for the downwind leg.
And nobody protested you for that? Not sure it's strictly legal, nor is your rating likely to reflect that sail area.....

But as you saw, it works well...
09-03-2009 05:37 AM
bheintz
Quote:
Originally Posted by SpcAlan1 View Post
I wonder if I could move up one of my sliding blocks forward of the mast and "back-feed" it?
Yes, this is a good idea. The idea is something simple attached to strong points on the boom and the deck.

Also see:
Boom Brakes & Preventers - World Cruising and Sailing Forums
http://www.sailnet.com/forums/seamanship/1511-boom-preventer-not.html
Boom Vangs and Preventers - resources for cruising sailors
YouTube - Setting up a preventer to control the boom on a sailboat
YouTube - Rigging a Boom Preventer with a Shockle
09-03-2009 01:35 AM
US27inKS
Quote:
Originally Posted by Faster View Post
We sail by-the-lee when wing-on-wing too.. it's really the only way to prevent constant collapsing of the headsail, esp without a whisker pole. In a good breeze going DDW wing-on-wing doesn't really give up much to a similar boat flying a spinnaker on the same heading. But it's nerve racking steering so tightly to avoid a gybe. We prefer to fly the spinnaker (up to a point) for that reason.
A couple of weeks ago while racing on my friends Ranger 22, we did a little wing-on-wing-on-wing. The wind was howling, and we didn't want to get broached with the spin. We also didn't want to have our ass handed to us by just flying the 90% blade downwind. There is certainly not enough time to do a headsail change, then do it again at the downwind mark, so we were in a pickle. So I moved the spin pole downhaul out to the bow, then I clipped on the tack of the old worn out 150 we refer to as "the bedsheet". I hoisted the 150 using the spin halyard without hanking it on, and ran the sheet back to the spin blocks at the stern. The result was flying 2 headsails plus the main, and going more than a knot over hull speed for the downwind leg.
09-03-2009 12:47 AM
Faster We sail by-the-lee when wing-on-wing too.. it's really the only way to prevent constant collapsing of the headsail, esp without a whisker pole. In a good breeze going DDW wing-on-wing doesn't really give up much to a similar boat flying a spinnaker on the same heading. But it's nerve racking steering so tightly to avoid a gybe. We prefer to fly the spinnaker (up to a point) for that reason.
09-02-2009 05:13 PM
AdamLein Hm. I found wing-on-wing trickiest in light air. Jib is most likely to collapse. Any speed you get means your apparent wind drops to zero. I think it's better to broad reach and jibe in winds under 5 kt, which takes advantage of the apparent wind coming forward better. In 5-10 I can maintain wing-on-wing much more easily.

Like US27, I'll often sail by the lee ever so slightly, since in reality the wind is still behind the line of the boom. Too much and you put the jib in the main's lee. Not enough and the wind is on the wrong side of the jib. If the jib collapses, I let the sheet out a bit. If it luffs or "folds" on itself I trim it in.
This thread has more than 10 replies. Click here to review the whole thread.

 
Posting Rules
You may post new threads
You may post replies
You may post attachments
You may edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is On


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 04:06 AM.

Add to My Yahoo!         
Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.7
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
SEO by vBSEO 3.6.1
(c) Marine.com LLC 2000-2012

The SailNet.com store is owned and operated by a company independent of the SailNet.com forum. You are now leaving the SailNet forum. Click OK to continue or Cancel to return to the SailNet forum.