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I saved your images, (I hope that's ok). I have a Cal21 that I wanted to put up and I also have had trouble locating stands that are sutiable. Granted the 1,500 pounds I am planning to support doesn't compare to your needs, but if properly executed,
you should be ok. If you need to you can always make more. Noah's boat was held up with wood, no? Good luck and work with many hands. Jim B.
I can't see in the pictures but you might want to put squares of 3/4" plywood under the main load bearing timbers (maybe doubled up), to spread the load to help keep it from settling too much. Again, the best too you.
Jim B.
Wood is amazingly strong in compression, and those are built to take advantage of the strength. So I wouldn't worry about them failing. Being made of wolmanized wood, they could conceivably outlast metal ones
Depending on what the cost is, If you are any good with tools, it would be a simple thing to make up some custom stands using the threaded adjusters and plates on them, or buy your own:
The stands look like they will work fine. I would be concerned about one detail that can easily be dealt with. The poppets[swivel pads] appear to be mounted into the vertical standards by drilling a hole in the end of the p.t. 4x4. If this union were to be side-loaded, it could split through the side of the 4x4 due to the allignment with the grain pattern in the wood. I would wrap the end with epoxy and glass tape, hose clamps, or even a whipping with parachute cord to prevent this. The poppets appear to be from Brownell or Hostar stands. Being the most expensive part of commercial stands, you could easily duplicate the lower halves with pipe and angle economically at a local welding shop if you wanted all metal stands. Metal stands are available through West Marine.[I buy them on my Port Supply account regularly.] They can also be ordered from the Hostar website.[they build hydraulic boat trailers similar to Brownell's]
I'm not sure that you're looking at thesame stands that I am, but the main supports that I see are more like 6x6's or even bigger. I don't see them breaking out. Stands are for side support, they keep the boat upright. They really don't hold the weight of the boat.
Your insurance company would likely laugh at your claim if/when these failed.
I know us boaters can be cheap but, given the price of proper stands, some things are just not worth doing on the cheap.
I don't see any thing wrong with that, my boat sat on a wood cradle for 15 yrs and not much more then those. I built the trailer with that very method and it works great. the sides seem to be more for stablelizing then to hold the weight
Not my insurance company! I only have the absolute minimum insurance possible, a requirement by my marina. And, as we all know, the absolute minimum insurance is only insurance by name, but will do nearly nothing to help with financial help.
The industry of insurance only exists because it is the status quo. It does not provide any real service to most, and is only purchased because it is a legal requirement. It is only a legal requirement because of the powerful lobbies of the insurance industry. Hence, I see it as extortion.
Not my insurance company! I only have the absolute minimum insurance possible, a requirement by my marina. And, as we all know, the absolute minimum insurance is only insurance by name, but will do nearly nothing to help with financial help.
The industry of insurance only exists because it is the status quo. It does not provide any real service to most, and is only purchased because it is a legal requirement. It is only a legal requirement because of the powerful lobbies of the insurance industry. Hence, I see it as extortion.
That a very cavalier attitude. I don't want this to revert to some philosophical issue you have with the concept of insurance but suffice it to say we had a fire on our (new) boat 7 years ago which totally destroyed it. Had the same thing happened to you and you were out $400,000, you'd sing a different tune.
I care nothing if you or someone else has insurance; just stay away from the rest of us.
The skinny piece is the outer skin of a 500,000 dollar J-160 that did NOT have enough stands last winter and i dug it out of ONE of the many UNUSED stands it fell on to
What does this have to do with the strength of the wooden stands? What you're talking about has to do with the stupidity of the yard that put the boat on the stands. Sounds like a new boat to me!
I think the point is there are two lessons to be learned - that people who try to save a few dollars on the wrong things usually end up learning a very expensive lesson. The second lesson we learn here is those same people don't like to hear the first lesson.
I worked for a 80,000+ employee Insurance Co. for a while. I can attest that the devil himself is a fat, new jersey insurance co. attorney.
The Board of Directors could easily step in for the cast of the "Sopranos" and no one would know the difference.
To get back to the stands themselves...
Some have suggested the good idea of putting pads underneath the feet, to help them avoid sinking into the ground. If they sink or heave with a frost...oops. Our yard does this with their stands even on a paved surface. Another important safety feature is to chain the pairs of stands together so they can't slip out and have the boat fall over that way.
The pic's in the original post are really helpful... thanks a lot. I'm in a predicament where the person I bought the boat from informed me after the sale, one season later, that the jack stands were actually his and are not available for my use this winter. So looks like I'll be building some stands to brace a 23 foot Grampian.... really appeciate the pic's.
The pic's in the original post are really helpful... thanks a lot. I'm in a predicament where the person I bought the boat from informed me after the sale, one season later, that the jack stands were actually his and are not available for my use this winter. So looks like I'll be building some stands to brace a 23 foot Grampian.... really appecriate the pic's.
I have a proper metal cradle for my Edel 22'. The problem I have is that the 2 front pads rest against the topside paint instead of the bottom anti-fouling paint.
Come next April I want to paint the topside including the 8" squares now covered by these 2 pads.
QUESTION:
Can I use 6x6's jammed underneath the deck to act as temporary front stands and then loosen the 2 front pads enough to roll & tip under them?
The 6x6's would only be in place long enough for the paint to be applied and dry and then I would crank the pads back into place.
My boat has been on the hard for 2 years and is at the very back of the yard, blocked in securely by all the other boats over wintering. There is no way that they yard crew can get near my boat to re-position it properly on the cradle.
BUMP.....
And one of the pads spans topside, boot stripe and anti-fouling paints so if I can just use a couple of temporary 4X4 to support the deck I can get this lady back in the water.
Thanks.
Ive just recently purchased a 1984 Starwind 22 and upon pulling it home and beginning cleaning 5 years of neglect off the hull have discovered several spots of needed gelcoat repair, and bottom paint. I can repair the gelcoat on the trailer, but the bottom paint is another matter! Im wondering if I can paint the exposed stern and bow bottoms, then after those areas dry move the boat to stands to finish the center section and keel?
As I see it the trailer supports the keel, and has two 10' bunkers supporting either side of the hull. So if I cradle the stern and bow, and provide blocking under the keel would that be sufficient to remove the trailer for painting?
Thanks!
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