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|04-18-2010 10:21 PM|
|paulk||Sounds like you made the right (or at least a better) choice. The Plas-trend boats I know of (Solings) had delamination and starved 'glass issues. Have fun!|
|04-17-2010 07:26 PM|
made my decision
I ended up with a 1975 cal 2-27, ancient but running inboard farymann diesel. I have 8.5k invested in her now including a haulout and paint.
radar equipped and tiller autopilot equiped.
Thanks for the help!
|12-11-2009 02:13 AM|
The Voice of Experience
Also if your looking for a boat of that age be careful considering a boat with any wood core. If, for example, the deck is cored then make sure you have easy access to all of the fittings that penetrate through the deck. At some point your going to have to rebed some of the fittings and being unable to access those points from inside the boat easily will make the job 10x more difficult.:)
If you can stay away from boats with gasoline engines, the old Atomic 4's that would have typically powered a boat of this size back in the 70's is more then likely on its last legs of life. Old Volvo Diesels, while reliable when operational can be very difficult and expensive to handle when they do break down. I know several friends who owned older boats with Volvo's and were forced to replace the motors when it was finally time for rebuild due to part issues for both cost and availability. I can't speak about all diesels but I've had good luck with Yanmar's in all of the boats I've owned.
So as your quest continues some thoughts based on my own previous bad experiences, call it, the ol' boat 101 checklist......
- Sailboat - look at the rig, check the fittings for excessive signs of corrosion
- Engine - preferably a diesel that still has parts readily available
- Hull and Deck - Solid glass construction with a removable headliner (or at least a headliner that allows easy access to the through fittings)
- Try to see the boat when it is raining, take a flash light, look for leaks, make sure you can figure out where the water is coming from to determine if the repair required will be something you can handle
- Inspect through hull fittings for excessive corrosion
- Check the keel boats (sounds like you've already read up about this)
A good survey will cost you $250 - $400 depending on the person you hire. They should check for all of the above and much more, but don't trust them to find everything. Become your own pre-survey surveyor and save yourself some money, the surveyor gets paid whether you decided to buy the boat or not. So do your homework before you take that next step.
You should still be able to find good boats given the above criteria in a price range between $7500 - $13,500 but be careful. A bad motor will cost you $5 - $10k for rebuild/replacement. Finally look for a boat that has been owned by a sailor. A person who has spent the time and money to keep up with the maintenance of the boat because they understood that not doing so could not only ruin their investment but also endanger their safety. Stay away from the ones that have been sitting in the boat yard for the past five years. If it sounds "too good to be true" it probably is and your $5 or $6k deal will turn into a $25-$30k disaster.
Have fun ! Owning boats is a disease to be enjoyed.
|12-05-2009 10:15 AM|
|paulk||Just to echo JeffH, Plastrend Solings we raced against had problems with delamination, starved 'glass (not enough resin), oilcanning, and bedding leaks. A similar vintage Pearson would be a better bet.|
|12-01-2009 09:47 PM|
The Chance designs of that era,PT 30 included,
are some of the most horrible abominations
of hull shape I have ever seen.
|09-09-2009 12:02 PM|
Not sure where you are located, but here's a link to a Yachtworld search for boats with diesel from 27'-30' from 7500 to 10000. There is sure to be some projects there, but the search did find 65 boats in the US.
(Sail) Boats For Sale
|09-09-2009 10:23 AM|
|xbalancex7||yeah, I think I do agree with what you are saying. The price is a big factor along with headroom, I'd like to have roughly 6'2" standing headroom which pt-30-2 does have and my price is roughly10k max while this one weighed in at 7k it left me feeling like I had some $$ left over to play with. but yeah I agree a more known design would be a better investment. I just haven't seen any of those with a diesel that are under the 10k range yet.|
|09-09-2009 07:37 AM|
Yahno there are a lot of good quality, well sailing thirty-footers from the early '70s: Tartan 30s are a classic, quality boat, Pearson and Catalina 30s are very desireable, you might be able to find a nice C&C 30 or a Yankee 30. After 40 years these boats still have a strong following and good reputationbs - you pay a decent price for one in good condition and you can't go wrong.
Why should you fixate on an odd-ball, little know or respected model, a boat whose twisted design objectives scream out in a humorous hull shape, with a nutty keel...I assume its price. Up your budget a few thousand and buy a boat with a real head, that will give you years of pride-of-ownership, and that someone will want to buy from you down the road...you'll get your money back.
|09-09-2009 02:56 AM|
|xbalancex7||I live in the San Francisco area and I would like to find a good surveyor. What is a good resource for finding a good surveyor? lattitude 38 mag? that is about my only real hands on sailing info besides visiting the local marina's.|
|09-09-2009 02:32 AM|
The survey is paid for by the buyer. Don't rely on an old survey - when you find a boat you like get your own. Never find a surveyor on recommendation of seller or broker selling the boat - they're a bit biased.
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