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|09-18-2009 12:04 AM|
Pro - In a storm the enclosure could maybe be used as a sea anchor.
Con - Everything else.
|09-17-2009 10:32 PM|
OK, enough said, I've stated my opinion and objections to being enclosed. By the way one of my best and oldest friends has a full enclosure on his boat and never takes down the sides. Each to his own.
|09-17-2009 02:35 PM|
But I do believe what Faster said:
I understand the sentiment and don't entirely disagree, but if the choice is cold and wet in a back yard or cold and wet in some dramatic rainforest fiord after a brisk sail, knowing the cabin heater is going and the hot rums are poured..... there is some magic to that.. Unquote
I have experienced that magic in another life and know what it is, but I was younger then and so much older now.
|09-17-2009 02:35 PM|
Originally Posted by DwayneSpeer View Post
|09-17-2009 01:04 PM|
Great comments all - and yes - there are at least six sides to that page.
Our Tanzer 28 had no weather help, so, we had a dodger made. Two years later we had a bimini made and were asked if we needed the zippers in case we wanted an enclosure later. We said yes (one of our good decisions).
Two years later, I bought some fabric, some more zippers, some window material and sewed an enclosure. I used my old White Jean's Machine that we inherited from my mom.
It looked like this and each of the six panels were independent and came out separately
On more than one occasion, with guests aboard, Linda and I slept in the cockpit to give our guests the v-berth. It was lovely. It was not for sailing - could not sail with it up at all (well - jib only), it was for at anchor or at dock for extra room.
We now have an Irwin Citation 34 and the Commodore is making small noises about, maybe, wouldn't it be nice to have a "guest room".
And yes - we can sail the IC34 with Dodger and bimini up, and on our 1002 nautical mile, May / June delivery from Annapolis MD to Fredericton, NB we did so on more than one cold, pouring rain occasion.
|09-17-2009 11:50 AM|
Originally Posted by CaptKermie View Post
Yup... you could say that the enclosure is Butt Ugly but another time we just made it down to Stonington CT a few minutes before the deluge started and while I was dry and warm sipping a cold one at the dock with a great view the dock workers and most everybody else were running around like nuts trying to get out of the rain..... what rain
My boat came with the dodger so it was $5,000 for the full enclosure with the best Strataglass windows etc... Storing the window side enclosures IS a major pain and even the good stuff has to be handled with care, buffered with cloth, and not just crammed into a corner. My only regret is that I went for the enclosesure only a year before I traded it in for my Nauticat so I didn't get my $$ worth..... but do you ever...
|09-17-2009 10:41 AM|
|09-17-2009 03:39 AM|
|JiffyLube||A long time ago I sailed from Hawaii to California in an open cockpit 28' tri with two other guys, on a passage that took us 25 days during the month of May. None of us were really prepared clothes wise, so for many days we cooked in the day and froze from wind and water at night during watches. I've had my share of sun, water, and wind exposure and over the years, so I probably wouldn't sail on a boat without a bimini and dodger again. When we got our boat one of the first items we had installed was a quality dodger and a frame-less bimini, and its a pleasure to sail with protection from the elements. I proved to myself once that I could take the beating when I was a young man, but now that I'm older and wiser I have no desire to repeat that insanity again.|
|09-17-2009 02:28 AM|
Omatako said- "No, maybe I'm just past being the hero. I want to sail warm and dry. Being cold and wet adds nothing to my experience. If I wanted that I'd stand under a cold shower in my back yard and save a fortune. "
Couldn't have said it better myself, I agree completely.
|09-17-2009 02:10 AM|
Lots of interesting comment here and I guess at the end of it all it depends on the kibd of use you expect to get from your boat.
Faster - how does your dodger work for you in the rain on a downwind course?
Captkermie - Your avatar suggests you're a big fella but my enclosure in 2.5 metres wide and 3 metres long. It's bigger than most salons. I have plenty of place to do what has to be done.
Dwayne - so you have an exciting sail in a nice 20 knt wind with the odd spume blowing up - real adventurous - the essence of sailing - then you get to the anchorage where you're going to spend the night. Do you have to spend the night down below? Or do you just sit and sip your wine in the wind? Oh, and I only motor when the weather is "perfect" i.e. no wind.
The other thing that is evident in a few of the posts is that the debate is not really about long distance sailing. It's OK to sail in 20 knots with the odd salt wash coming aboard into your face. And your $1m weather gear offers good protection. For the first hour, Or day? Or the next three days. But what about for the first week?
No, maybe I'm just past being the hero. I want to sail warm and dry. Being cold and wet adds nothing to my experience. If I wanted that I'd stand under a cold shower in my back yard and save a fortune.
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