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10-26-2009 10:39 AM
jbzeichner
Durability of NorLam

To those with NorLam genoas, have you been satisfied? How is the sail olding it's shape over time? I've heard mylar sails shrink and the leech will cup and that they can have mold problems.

Thanks,
Brian
09-30-2009 11:04 AM
Waltthesalt Consider checking out the Seattle boat show for deals on new sails. I think any local sailmaker can go over your sails and reliably do any needed work. I've had good luck with buying used sails online. There are several distributors and it helps to know exactly what you're looking for and the new cost. At Bacon's website you can get the specs for you boat.
09-30-2009 07:09 AM
roline I've used National Sail Supply representing Rolly Tasker for a light #1 and also recommend Pineapple out in Oakland California. Kame makes a mean set of sails for racing. "Powered by Pinapples"....
The importance of correct measurement is paramount, but you can do it as well as having someone from a loft do it... You have to measure and include mast rake, mast bend, all info...
A lot of big name lots will batch process sails at off shore factories for class sails like Catalina 22's etc... where the individual boat may have more rake or mast bend than what the stock sail was intended for.
09-29-2009 10:52 AM
jrd22 Late to join this thread but I'll throw out a recommendation for Rolly Tasker sails. I ordered two new furling sails last spring and I am very impressed with the quality and fit. I ordered them from National Sail Supply in Florida. Dirk at NSS was very helpful and thorough in walking me through the measuring process and all the details. I compared the features of the sails (cloth, stitching, etc) to the local lofts and just couldn't justify the huge increase in price (50% to +300% more). I ordered the offshore sails with triple stitching, foam luff, leather chafe protection, hand stitching, 8 oz. fabric and have one season on them now and I'm very happy with their performance. I wouldn't think twice about ordering from them again. I have not ordered a main from them but I would if I needed one. Just my two cents, not affiliated etc.
09-29-2009 12:36 AM
Faster Agree with Brian that you should convert to "jiffy reefing"... hardly anyone uses the old style roller reefing anymore. It's difficult to get good shape and precludes using a proper vang without special hardware.

A standard slab or jiffy reef setup won't break the bank - esp if you order the new main with proper reef points installed.

btw- the Mercator looks like a comfy boat.. reminiscent of a fiberglass version of the L36.
09-29-2009 12:20 AM
mitiempo I'd get rid of it and convert to 2 line slab reefing, either from the mast or led back to the cockpit if you wish. Easy to use and better setting sails. All the old cruising books where the boat had roller reefing like you have mention the towels they had to stuff in as the sail was rolled to get even a reasonably good setting sail. Here's a link describing reefing the main and what works best.
reffing
Brian
09-28-2009 11:55 PM
MichaelNW
Thank you! And a question about roller main.

The boat is a Mercator Offshore 30 built in 1970.

The jib, genoa and drifter are OK but need to be repaired (small tear), restitched and cleaned (which I'll do).

The cloth of the main is just plain old.

The boat is a cruising boat and if I race it is as crew, so I'm looking for cruising sails.

I always try to do business locally. Anymore experience close to Olympia?

One more question - the boat has roller reefing on the boom - the boom rotates with a crank (spruce spars) and the sail rolls around. Does anyone have experience with this set-up. Should I get rid off it?
09-28-2009 11:10 PM
Skipaway
Banks Sails, Portland Oregon

Since the OP is near to local, Iíll mention Banks/Waagmeester Sails in Portland, Oregon. Waagmeester Canvas Products, Inc. - Home Page. They have an excellent reputation around here, for non-racers at least. My sails were made by them (main & genny); I have no idea how old they are, but probably much more than 8 years. I had the UV cover for the 150 genoa re-stitched this summer ($90); turnaround was 5 days.

While there I asked about pricing for a 110% jib. Banksí quote was $15% less than FX Sails online; but I donít know how comparable the specifics might be.

I= 36.5; J=11.75
09-28-2009 07:49 PM
blt2ski I've worked locally with Jack at North, a 110 norlam and G2. Jeff at Ullman, got two sails last spring also on there 30% off order now, get in March/April. a 140 CAL, a laminate for the same price as a dacron, with less stretch etc, and a 130 drifter. Also have a fiberpath 155 too that I got last Oct. Main is a UK tape drive 2 full top and 2 partial. The Anacortes yard measured that one. Two boats near me also had UK sails made recently.

One local with a C30 had a FX155 genoa made, and had Schattauer put on numbers etc. He seems happy with it.

It really depends upon what type of sail, what purpose etc, as to which loft to get sails at. Haase used to work at Shattauer, both sell excellent dacron cruise sails, that will take you thru a hurricane. Talked with carol re puget sound lighter wt laminate race type sails, she said go elsewhere! North actually!

Ullmans CAL sails, is a laminate base panel sail. SO far really nice for daysailing/cruising etc. WAY better than my old original dacron. One person with a 155 roller furling I know with one, says it rolls way tighter than his 140 dacron did, and sails better too. BUT< the dacron may have been a bit blown out like my original 140 from 85 that came with the boat.

TO a degree, you will get what you pay for!

marty
09-28-2009 07:10 PM
WhatTheFoley I'm in Seattle. I just bought 3 new sails. The Main I got from the local North loft. I cashed in on their 25% off recycle deal (which sadly I think is over now...). The other two headsails I ordered for spring delivery from the local Ullman dealer (loft is in San Diego) using their 30% off Spring Delivery sale.

I just received the North mainsail (about 5 weeks for delivery). They were great at the start. They came out and measured the boat. I also order a StrongTrack system so they messured for that as well. Then I didn't hear back from them for 5 weeks. After 6 phone calls (no returned calls) and another week and a half I finally got a hold of them and was told it "Just showed up this morning". 3 more phone calls and I was told that the track that was shipped was the wrong size. 2 more phone calls to set up a time to have them come out and setup the track and sail. Overall I'm happy with the sail, workmanship and customer service. I'm not very happy with the communication (or lack of).

So far I've been having good luck with the Ullman sales rep and loft. Their prices are very competitive, and the sales rep has been easy to deal with. The rep wrote up the quote, answered a ton of questions and was happy to show me another clients boat that had a set of the sails I was looking for. We'll see how the workmanship and customer service stacks up over time but so far so good.
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