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|09-02-2008 12:12 AM|
I remember it having 5'11" headroom, but you're right, with a dropped cabin sole, you could get an extra inch or two.
|08-31-2008 08:26 PM|
More Kenner Privateer
Gillmer, who was a long-time professor of naval architecture at the US Naval Academy, did other small boat designs, including the Allied Seawind, the first fiberglass boat to circumnavigate.
On standing headroom: My Privateer ketch has over six feet. However, it was (is) an owner-completed bare hull project. The first owner may have set the cabin sole a bit lower than the factory boats.
FYI, Gillmer also did the last refit on Old Ironsides, about 1992. When last I checked, he was still alive and in his nineties in the Baltimore area.
|03-21-2007 06:06 PM|
I feel like the defender of all things privateer!
One day last year I came in from a sail and a guy named john who owns a Santa Cruz 27 came up and asked me how I was going so fast.... Not saying a privateer could beat a santa cruz every day, or that the privateer doesnt have it's problems. It is a small boat. But she sails just as easy and just as fast as any other boat in her class.
|03-21-2007 03:37 PM|
|winddancer88||My parents had a 26' (31' LOA) Kenner Privateer ketch years ago. I remember it being a slow boat, with little space, but tons of character. Biggest problem for me we was lack of headroom and small berths. Pretty boat, but I wouldn't recommend it for anyone much over average height.|
|03-21-2007 01:17 PM|
The Privateer 26 and Privateer 35 were designed by Thomas Gillmer. He designed big schooners. The pride of Baltimore 1 and 2, Lady Maryland. I believe the Privateers were his only ventures into personal boats.
They are small inside. The privateer 35 has about as much space inside as a modern 30' boat would have. The main reason for this is both the privateer 26 and 35 are about 2 feet narrower when compared to other boats of similar length.
As for sail setup... All the privateers were sent from the factory with a normal ketch or cutter rig sail plan. Just as easy to sail as any other boat. I sail my privateer single handed 99% of the time. An owner of a privateer 35 I know sails single handed much of his time on the boat.
|03-05-2007 08:25 PM|
The boat I have now is a CS. (moved to Ontario - went native).
The schooner I had when I lived in Nova Scotia (we're talking 20 years ago) was a bit of an anomaly. It was designed by a man named Gerald Stevens, and built by an independent builder using "West System" strip planks. Composit construction was just becoming popular then. There is a small group of these boats on the East Coast, some built in fibreglass, a few in composite wood/epoxy, but most of them are wooden.
Their sole purpose in life is to go as fast as the schooner rig can go. They are called Tancook schooners - primarily because they are full-keeled boats with the same springy sheer and fairly prominent spoon bow, and secondarily because Tancook Island is about a half mile from the (late) designer's drawing board - but they are not perfect replicas of the fishing schooners. They are narrower, lighter, and a lot of them are smaller than the working schooners were.
The Whaler is an actual workboat, with higher freeboard, much more beamy and usually open, occasionally they were built with small cuddies. They tend to be just under 30 feet in length and had very shallow keels with centreboards. They were the basic design used for many lifeboats from about 1910 to the mid-eighties, and are still seen today.
The Tancook prefix is used to describe a whaler that has a prettier than normal sheer. It comes from the style of boat that developed on Tancook Island, in Chester and to some degree in Lunenberg in the late 19th and early 20th century.
The primary characteristics of a 'Tancook' are low freeboard with a fairly prominent, spoon bow line and a springy counter. The Whalers tend to be symmetrical bow and stern.
I have seen some designs on the Internet over the years labelled "Tancook" this or that. Some of them approach the graceful shape, but I have yet to see anyone draw as pretty (or quick) a schooner as Gerald Stevens did.
|03-05-2007 01:52 PM|
Did you have a Tancock Whaler or one of the later schooners?
|03-04-2007 02:22 AM|
Schooners were built to make passages with minimum crew. (Check the history of Maine coasters to learn how large a vessel was sailed by three or four crew.)
They maintain a balanced sail plan when reefed. Their sails are of smaller, more manageable size than single masted rigs, and total center of effort is (vertically) lower too.
Not everyone's cup of tea, but they do have some advantages.
|03-03-2007 02:44 PM|
|Sailormann||Kenner built some of the "Pearson" Tritons, most of which seem to still be floating around somewhere...their hulls were quite sound. As far as a schooner rig goes...there is no disputing the fact that they are a lot of work, more expensive to maintain and don't point as well as a bermudan sloop. However, as far as being seaworthy, they are about as good as it gets. I owned, cruised and raced a Tancook schooner for years, off the coast of Nova Scotia and New England. When more modern designs were heading for shore, we dropped a couple of sails and carried on, safely with a good turn of speed. When the winds were light, we flew all our canvas and looked like a postcard. To each their own, a schooner is a niche boat, and there are bigger, easier, more comfortable options out there, but as far as versatility and beauty go, they cannot be beaten. That said - you'll note that we are now sailing a bermudan sloop with standing headroom and a shower...|
|03-02-2007 01:14 PM|
I'm looking for a Kenner Privateer
Does anyone know where there is one of these boats, preferably with a diesel inboard, for sale?
Thomas Ryan Nelson
2570 Lakeshore Circle
Port Charlotte, FL 33952
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