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08-27-2009 05:27 PM
flatracker
Be Careful

First off, you didn't give many particulars about distance, direction and time you plan on going, and how much time you have available. But don't listen to the nay sayers, and those whose primary interest seems to be to bash the boat. It is what it is. In most instances, it will be you who can't deal, not the boat. Just make sure you have everything as prepared as you can possibly make it. Watch the weather closely. Most predictions are reliable for 24 hours out, and after that, it's a crap shoot. When I was much younger, and a whole lot dumber, I single handed a Chrysler 22, from Corpus to Isla Mujeras and back. I had no auto pilot, no loran, no GPS. My entire assortment of nav instruments was a compass, and a single large scale chart. I had been sailing for a total of one year at that time, and had never been on salt water in a sailboat before. Made it fine, and while I would certainly not even consider such a venture at this age, I am very glad I did it. So, prepare as best you can, pick a decent looking weather window and go for it. And enjoy.
08-20-2009 10:17 PM
souljour2000 I think Timber cruiser said it better than anyone else... "Sail your boat...know what it can do..." and I'll add...don't forget to " Know yourself and know what YOU can do...." What do you call a gulf crossing though"?.. There are "gulf crossings"..and then there are GULF CROSSINGS...curious what the original poster has in mind.
08-12-2009 11:59 PM
TimberCruiser I find it interesting that when I am sailing in sh_tty weather, I never see any of those "beautiful boats" that are built to handle that weather out there. They are back at the marina having cocktails and talking about those inferior little MacGregors. I have had snobs from the Royal Vancouver Yaught Club, row over to my boat and tell me I was crazy to bring my boat to the mid-coast of BC. If it wasn't for his hot wife I would have told him where to go.

I bought it 16yrs ago for $17000 brand new and have gone all over the BC coast. Sail your boat, learn what it can do and take it from there.
03-27-2008 06:59 PM
speciald I don't think anybody has survived the crossing in that "boat".
03-27-2008 01:33 PM
CharlieCobra I can't tell ya about the 26 S/C but I've had my V-21 out in 25-30 knots and 6' seas without issue. It was a thrilling ride. I would not recommend taking it out in the Gulf though. You aren't gonna outrun weather in the classic 26's like ya might in the 26X/M.
03-27-2008 01:23 PM
timebandit
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Originally Posted by CBinRI View Post
I cannot claim to be an expert, but the MacGregor tends to get strong reactions from sailors, not necessarily because of its comparative build quality (although I understand that it is not so good) but because of its design. Many feel that by trying to be both a power boat and a sailboat, it is satisfactory as neither.

You may be aware that most sailboats do not plane under power and thus their maximum speed is limited to their hull speed, which is limited by their water line. A MagGregor 26 is designed so it can plane like a powerboat and therefore far exceed its hull speed under power. The compromise is that by making the hull suitable for planing, it becomes far less suitable for sailing. It will not point high. It will be more inclined to slide sideways on a reach. And I do not not know much about water ballast, but I have often heard that it is less stable and safe.

All boats represent compromises that accommodate verious design objectives, but I am not aware of any others that fall into this hybrid category, which seems to uniquley offend a lot of dedicated sailors. Of course, they have their staunch defenders as well.
I guess you do not know your X and M's from your S and C's.

"Has anyone crossed on a Macgregor 26 S/C? How did you outfit your boat for crossing? Suggestions appreciated."
03-27-2008 12:59 PM
CBinRI Thanks for the clarification, Jeff. Big difference, I guess, between the S and the X. In the words of Emily Litella, "never mind."
03-27-2008 12:31 PM
Jeff_H The boat in question was not the 26X which is the powerboat/sailboat hybred, but the 26S which was designed solely as a trailerable auxillary sailboat. Unlike the 26x powersailor which has a lot of freeboard, large portlights and tremendous form stability and so would be expected to have a very quick motion, the 26S would be expected to be closer in hull form and motion to a normal 26 foot water-ballasted centerboarder.

There is a tendancy to slam MacGregor's build quality and it is not without some reason. Panel weights are light, there is almost no internal framing, and hardware and rigging sizes are small even by trailerable satndards. By the same token, MacGregor claims to not use chopped glass, they claim to limit coring to deck structure, they use simplified but sturdy enough rigging components like pin type shroud adjusters rather than turnbuckles.

On the other hand their advertising says scary things like, "Our bolted hull to deck joining system is strong, but compact, and adds little to the width of the boat. Many of our competitors use wide joining flanges, which contribute a lot to their beam, but add very little to strength or usable inside space." If you didn't know better you would think, Gee isn't that nice that MacGregors' hull to deck joint adds very little width to the boat, while ignoring that outward flange connections are weaker than inward flanged joints at the deck line and also the bigger problem with that statement is that the faying surface (the amount of flange area available for adhesive or sealant) is critical to the long term strength and durability of the joint. The Macgegors small faying surfaces would come into play in the high impacts of beating to the square chop as might be expected in a Gulf crossing.

Jeff
03-27-2008 11:33 AM
CBinRI
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Originally Posted by buckeyesailor View Post
just so some of us lesser knowledgeable persons might want to know to narrow down our search.........are there any brands in general that would fall into this same category?...I'm sure there are plenty......but just the obvious ones to kick to the curb......most appreciated.
I cannot claim to be an expert, but the MacGregor tends to get strong reactions from sailors, not necessarily because of its comparative build quality (although I understand that it is not so good) but because of its design. Many feel that by trying to be both a power boat and a sailboat, it is satisfactory as neither.

You may be aware that most sailboats do not plane under power and thus their maximum speed is limited to their hull speed, which is limited by their water line. A MagGregor 26 is designed so it can plane like a powerboat and therefore far exceed its hull speed under power. The compromise is that by making the hull suitable for planing, it becomes far less suitable for sailing. It will not point high. It will be more inclined to slide sideways on a reach. And I do not not know much about water ballast, but I have often heard that it is less stable and safe.

All boats represent compromises that accommodate verious design objectives, but I am not aware of any others that fall into this hybrid category, which seems to uniquley offend a lot of dedicated sailors. Of course, they have their staunch defenders as well.
03-27-2008 11:18 AM
CBinRI
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Originally Posted by jesico View Post
Has anyone crossed on a Macgregor 26 S/C? How did you outfit your boat for crossing? Suggestions appreciated.
If you do a search you will find many threads (some of them heated) regarding the suitability of this boat for various uses. Personally, I would not go far from shore in one of them, but some feel differently.
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