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06-13-2011 06:54 PM
VetMike In addition to the pirates, the common people make their living providing support (ie food, shelter and so forth). And it is certainly in the realm of possibility that some governmental agencies in the region are also supporting them. That said, this is probably the poorest area in the world and Somalia has had no government for more than a decade. I just read the posting about the private security company. Although the piracy occurs in international waters (this is a contributing factor as no country wants to take the responsibility and the UN has no teeth) I would not be surprised to hear that the US government (and other governments) object to the use of private security. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised to see violence used on the private security that would never be used on the pirates. After all, we just need to understand how the pirates feel......
12-26-2010 09:53 PM
omaho5
Pirates

Peace s achieved through fire superiority
12-24-2010 01:08 PM
dongreerps
pirates

One week ago today I had the privalege of listening to a gentleman who is both a member of the management team, and an operator of a firm in San Antonio which puts men aboard vessels to prevent them from being taken by pirates. He made a number of interesting points.
First if the pirates are already on board your vessel the situation is very difficult if not impossible to deal with. Second, if a "resuce vessel" is only a few miles away when they recieve a distress call, it probably is already too late, given the time necessary for the rescue vessel to load their crew, power up, get underway, and get there. Thirdly, the pirates are not only after money, but also after the prestige when they get back to their villages. He put it "money, position, and the girls. He remarked the pirates are incredibly fast in actually boarding a vessel. In just a short minute or two they go from a dozen yards off to being over the rails and on board. In other words, revention of boarding must be taken before the pirates are alongside.
His firms plicy is three shots. First a general warning shot (a air burst), second a warning shot across the bows, and then no messing around, the third shot is for effect. All members of their on board crews have performed well under fire. A team consists of 4 men.
Their business is growing. Their only advertising is word of mouth. The least cooperative/supportive government is the USA. They are therefore in the process of establishing offshore bases.
I have attempted to report as accurately as possible some of the comments of a man who has been there, done that, and is going back for more. Perhaps becasuse his wife accompanied him, he graciously declined to share any specific stories, though he did have a number of interesting slides.
He did state that when a crew boaarded a vessel which had crew who had benefited from having a protective crew on board before, the protective crew had very little work to do, as the vessel crew voluntarily took over welding in place the protective measures.
12-15-2010 02:11 AM
j3anph1l1dd3 Theres an interesting episode from south park where Cartman becomes a Pirate. Its really funny. YouTube - Somalian pirates (OFFICIAL SOUTH PARK SONG)

Seriously tho, Because the stakes are so high with piracy, Its necessary to eliminate it asap.
10-17-2010 08:31 PM
Daveinet
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Originally Posted by StoneAge View Post
I certainly do not agree that the pirates in Somalia ought to be doing what they are doing, but the circumstances that caused this aren't discussed very often. The commercial ships coming out of Suez are creating a dead zone in Somali Fishing territory and the Somali fisheries are all but dead. This was their major livelihood and the major shipping companies have completely disrespected Somali territory.

These people are desperate and need to feed their families. They see the attacks on the ships as a sort of revenge for destroying their way of life. I certainly feel for them. I don't condone what they do, but I understand why they do it.
Your statement would suggest you do not have a clear understanding of right and wrong. The reason why should not soften you approach in how you deal with right and wrong. Right and wrong are absolutes for all times and places.

When it comes to Pirates or Terrorism, one needs to ask how bad do you want to win? Either you want to win against evil or you don't. The problems we have now are caused by people who did not want to win bad enough. Its much better to deal with it when it is a small problem. The softer we are now, means the problem will be worse for those who follow after us.
10-15-2010 05:52 AM
Patient
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Just recently came off a war ship hunting pirates. I will say this, although I understand where they are coming from and why they are doing it, they also understand the consequences. That said, the only thing that they deserve is a shot to the head. If you disagree, then that is ok, but they won't hesitate to put one through yours.
Stay away, and when in danger, open fire. If you cannot defend yourself or do not want to, then stay far far away. Remember, this is not a new thing.
First off, thank you for your service.

Quick question:
What is the RoE for the Coalition Maritime Campaign Plan in terms of a vessel in distress? Ie. A Sailing Vessel being fired at 25nm away.

If you call for help are you going to see a gunship come to your aid? Or are there some strict rules about sinking pirates by CMCP participants?

I have seen videos and read about say the dutch actively recovering a vessel from the hands of pirates and others of not offering to resolve the solution at all.
10-15-2010 12:35 AM
DubeJ Just recently came off a war ship hunting pirates. I will say this, although I understand where they are coming from and why they are doing it, they also understand the consequences. That said, the only thing that they deserve is a shot to the head. If you disagree, then that is ok, but they won't hesitate to put one through yours.
Stay away, and when in danger, open fire. If you cannot defend yourself or do not want to, then stay far far away. Remember, this is not a new thing.
05-19-2010 12:17 AM
sailorr13 does anyone know of any convoys going east? That is from the red sea towards the maladives?
05-12-2010 05:06 AM
Yajo OK so with all the international legal distress concerning firearms that one might potentially use to battle pirates, if the **** hits the fan and all other options are sinking does anybody know if there are equally rigid laws regulating crossbows/repeater bolt-throwers/flamethrowers/molotovs/mustard gas etc...
04-23-2010 11:15 AM
PrinceBuster
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Originally Posted by Boasun View Post
Liberal people are living in a fantasy world... Wake up IDIOTS...
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Nicely said...
Without commenting on the specifics of the arguments being made, I find the name calling toward people who don't share your politics quite juvenile and offensive, particularly on a sailing forum (and the cheering, too).

You could have made the same point without adding "IDIOTS."
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