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01-28-2010 10:49 PM
Mark1948 Mast down is not a big deal and you can do basic hull check by taping with a screwdriver handle. As for the engine, it can be started by heating up the compartment with a lightbulb for a day or two. Just remember that it will chew up the impeller if it is not removed. Bought my boat on superbowl Sunday, with an engine check the week prior. It was a diesel and started right up in frigid Wisconsin. I have to say winter is a great time to deal.
01-28-2010 11:17 AM
kmartin16 I will be docked in the southeast end near Verona Beach. They have a nice racing crowd down at that end too. Wednesday nights and Saturdays.
01-24-2010 06:25 PM
mooregm5 Its amazing what saltwater does to a boat. With the amount of 100% freshwater boats in the area, there is no need to look into a saltwater boat. Take your time and you'll find the right one, hopefully one that was someone's pride and joy.

5' or less is a good idea. Not sure where on Oneida Lake you plan to sail, but the west side is horrid, shoals are everywhere. The east side is mostly shoal free, you just need the shallow draft for getting in and out of the marinas. Lake Ontario is mostly a non-issue for depth.

Sounds like your on the right track, cosmetics are nice because they are optional, letting you get the boat out right away, and fixing the other stuff throughout the year.
01-18-2010 11:25 AM
kmartin16 Thanks so much for the advice. After looking at quite a few boats now I can see the freshwater boats seem younger than their saltwater counterparts and the ones that have been stored indoors during winter positively sparkle.

I was planning on limiting the keel to less than 5' for sure.

I have found a few boats that need mostly cosmetics as all systems are go.
01-18-2010 09:08 AM
mooregm5 Hi kmartin,

If you are patient, there is always a good deal in the area. We have a late '70 Oday that is in fantastic shape. I can't think of anything that is wrong with it, other than a self inflicted issue (ran rudder aground). Got it about 4 years ago for $4K and have put only maintenance money into it. Could sell it today for the same if not more. Gems are out there in this area. This boat was surely kept in a garage 8-10 months a year most of its life, and that makes the difference. People ask its age and cannot believe its more than 5-10 years old.

For boats at this price range, the price of the boat is on par with slip/maintenance/storage fees, so look for someone who would have to pay the next bill (fall is usually best, followed by April-May). They will always drop in price right before as fees are usually non-refundable.

Also check out marinas for boats left behind. We just picked up 2 22' boats for $100+/- with trailers. We cleaned them up and did the necessary repairs, and we will be keeping one and are selling the other this spring ($3K). These are not advertised, so you have to ask the manager.

If your going to be on Oneida Lake, keep your eye out for a shoal keel or a swing keel, you'll be happy you did. Also remember, especially if your looking for a good motor, that you can take the Erie Canal/Oswego Canal to get larger boats from the Finger Lakes, Buffalo, Lake Champlain, Hudson River, etc. You could motor it home, fixing the little things on the way and have a vacation.

Good luck, you may need it!
12-05-2009 10:09 AM
kmartin16 Welding is one thing. I think welding stainless is another step up in difficulty.

Here is the link I mentioned above. sailboat restoration, morgan 30 foot sailboat, my hole in the water
12-04-2009 12:42 PM
tommays Even at 10K to 20K down this way the boats in this range wave at least one issue

For example there was the 10k 30 foot with the rotten plywood keel sump which was ingored so long the keel bolts are junk and its got a 1981 saltwater cooled motor
12-04-2009 12:30 PM
mitiempo Actually I have had a custom stainless fuel tank made, as well as bases for cabintop clutches, bases for new winches, and there is a new bow fitting with anchor roller to be made in stainless. A few other items might come up as well that require custom metalwork.
12-04-2009 09:01 AM
kmartin16 Welding? Hopefully you don't need that too much.

If you want to be inspired by determination check out the guy in Annapolis who got the "free" Morgan 30 (I will get the link). Spent weeks refairing the hull, putting on 7 coats of primer and 6 coats of Awlgrip, all in full tyvek and respirator. Took apart his winches, re chromed his hardware, re powered and had to re bed the engine 6 times and the shaft was still not right for th esea trial and the boat took on water. And I am still not scared off.
12-03-2009 03:45 PM
mitiempo tommays
You're not very subtle, but you're right. Any older boat is a bit of a project boat, whether it be engine, glasswork, wiring or something else. On the better looking 30+ year old boats the problems haven't come up yet, but they will unless the equipment has been upgraded recently. 30 years on the water is hard on everything. As far as not having skills, glasswork probably requires more skill, although easily learned, than engine work. I'm not a mechanic but I will try most anything and if I end up over my head, I go to an expert. But I take the waterpump off the engine, change alternators, or rewire the entire engine and starting system as I have done. as I hate to pay labor for what I can do myself. While I've never swapped an engine it's mostly work you can learn if you are careful. Fixing an old boat if you're handy and can read and search the internet is more about commitment than skill. There is a phenominal amount of good help today only a click away. I never did learn to weld though so have to pay for that. Good luck kmartin and remember the resources are available to help you do most anything.
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