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07-20-2010 02:20 PM
relmason
Thanks

Yes, we do have a whisker pole, (and do use it for wing on wing downwind runs), but it is currently stored (lashed) on top the spinnaker pole which has the accompanying deck hardware I am thinking of taking off completely. I like your vertical storage idea - does it cause a significant increase in windage?
07-20-2010 02:09 AM
L124C
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Originally Posted by relmason View Post
Anyone simply remove the spinnaker pole mounting hardware on deck if not ever flying one? The less toe stubbing items the better!
Do you have a Whisker pole? If so, I would recommend having the option of going Wing on Wing, even if you don't fly a kite. Anyway, I have been storing the pole vertically since I started this thread. So far, I see no reason to be storing it on deck. I can be sailing Wing on Wing, before I could even get the pole from the deck to the mast (if it were mounted on the deck). So I say,... go ahead, remove the hardware!
07-19-2010 08:41 PM
relmason Anyone simply remove the spinnaker pole mounting hardware on deck if not ever flying one? The less toe stubbing items the better!
12-06-2009 12:32 PM
L124C
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Originally Posted by paulk View Post
People don't store their spinnaker or whisker poles vertically on the mast because when they work loose (all by themselves, it just suddenly happens!) they drop down and (pick any two) 1/hit people who are sunning on the foredeck, causing a 4" gash that leaves bloodstains that are a real chore to clean up 2/hit the deck, causing a 2"gash and cracks that cost $1500 to fix 3/hit the hatch, requiring a new $800 hatchcover, 4/ torque and break the $300 end fitting, the $100 mast fitting, and possibly the $100 track, which will cost $750 to re-install. If you calculate how long the pole is and how much leverage that affords at the business end, you will probably stow your whisker or spinnaker pole on deck. If it is too heavy to handle, each of those pounds is adding to the leverage and/or impact of the pole. Perhaps carbon fiber would be a lighter option. Despite its cost, it may end up being cheaper than the alternatives.
With all due respect, I think you've been reading too much Stephen King!. Of all the problems I anticipated, having the pole come loose wasn't one of them. Anything this important on my boat doesn't "suddenly work loose all by itself"! For example, my jib sheets seem to stay tied, and they are under a lot more stress than a vertical whisker pole would be. Currently, I have secured the upper end of the pole with a bowline in the topping lift which is tied through a hole in the pole's hardware. Could this fail? Highly unlikely, but theoretically, yes. However, I think there are about 50 life threatening things that are much more likely to occur every time I sail, i.e., MOB, accidental jibe, through hull failure, etc., etc.. If I was that worried about them, I would have to sell my boat. After all, despite the best preparation and maintenance, there are many safer hobbies than sailing!
Anyway, back on topic. If I install hardware to hold the pole, I would still use the topping lift (or some other method) in this manner to provide redundancy, unless I was convinced the hardware was absolutely bullet proof. BTW, in the scary list of options you gave me, you left out the most expensive. That would be the Million dollar law suit the sunbather with the 4 inch gash in his/her head would rightfully bring against me for my negligence. Maybe I could counter sue for those pesky bloodstains in my deck?
12-06-2009 03:37 AM
Stillraining Mine is stored the same way.
12-06-2009 02:29 AM
L124C
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Originally Posted by Yorksailor View Post
Paul is right, we store two vertically and one fell...it was not damaged as my wife's head was between it and the deck.

They bang unless they are well secured but they are much easier to deploy which is important on a 55ft boat with a 70ft stick.

Phil
I'm a little confused. Despite the horrific incident, you still seem to be a proponent of the vertical system. What went wrong, and do you still have the same wife?
12-05-2009 04:40 PM
Faster Since a whisker pole is much lighter/smaller than a spinn pole, if you have a track try using two rings, one near the top of the track and slip the pin end through, clip the other end into the ring at the bottom,or to an appropriate fitting lower down near the deck.

Simply pulling the pole vertical with the pole lift is not going to be very stable in any kind of action underway.
12-05-2009 03:45 PM
ste27
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Originally Posted by wwilson View Post
There are a number of boats that stow the pole on the mast. HR is one. The upper end is secured to a track on the mast. It comes lose only deliberately for removal etc. The pole has a hoist line allowing it to be lowered or raised under control to set the proper angle for spinnaker or jib (as whisker pole)

The outboard (lower) end attaches to a bail at the base of the mast when stowed. Once stowed it is fully secured. Ours has had the green water test a number of times.

Wayne
Same kind of setup on the Oyster I sail offshore on. Conventional-ish topping lift to the middle of the pole, but the mast end height is also controllable. When the pole goes away the mast end goes up, topping lift eased, and then the outboard end of the pole clips into a ring at the base of the mast. Haul the mast end tight, remove the topping lift (or not, depending) and you're done. Easy stuff, boat had seen way more than its share of green water, no problems
12-05-2009 03:32 PM
wwilson
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Originally Posted by L124C View Post
I have come up with a way to store my whisker pole vertically, and I don't see anyone else doing it.
There are a number of boats that stow the pole on the mast. HR is one. The upper end is secured to a track on the mast. It comes lose only deliberately for removal. The pole has a hoist line allowing it to be lowered or raised under control to set the proper angle for spinnaker or jib (as whisker pole)

The outboard (lower) end attaches to a bail at the base of the mast when stowed. Once stowed it is fully secured. Ours has had the green water test a number of times.



Wayne
12-05-2009 03:17 PM
paulk Sorry to have been proved right that way. Ouch!
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