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3 Hours Ago 12:46 PM
miatapaul
Re: Frers F&C 44

Quote:
Originally Posted by Holthoefer View Post
Reading your post, I realized having exactly the same problem that you discribed. The chain plates on my F&C44 hull K16 are rotten.
The craftsmen on the yard are puzzled about the whole construction. Having only two of these boats in Gemany means the yards have no experience in this kind of reconstruction. So I would be glad if you could give me information about the
step by step progress of the repair. Especially photographs from imside/outside that show the approach and complexity would be very
helpful.
I thank you in advance for assistance
Regards
Klaus
kholthoefer@t-online.de
Quote:
Originally Posted by evangeline44 View Post
Hi Klaus,
Evangeline is K11 so about the oldest I've come across on various Fora. Do you know of any earlier ones?
She was launched in August 1979. So like yours she has the chainplates bonded into the hull - a serious design flaw.


Regards
N&S
Not sure why the yard is puzzled by this construction method, it is quite common. Island Packet still uses it to this day. Irwin and lots of others in the 70's used it. They theory is that it makes the hull to chainplate attachment as strong as the hull, but in reality it is a cost savings measure, and does promote corrosion of the stainless steel. If I replaced with titanium chain plates (now not that much more than quality Stainless) I would consider just bonding them in again as you would not worry about oxygen deprived corrosion. But bets practice is to design some sort of attachment method that is not embedded, like installing knees. But you will want to run it by a navel architect. Exterior is a possibility as well.
22 Hours Ago 05:54 PM
evangeline44
Re: Frers F&C 44

Good Evening Klaus
From your last post, do I infer that some previous boats had been built in Wood? That's news to me, you obviously have greater knowledge of the marque. Do you know what 'K' number the boat you mentioned has?
Do you think that it would be a good idea to set up a small stand- alone website for all F&C 44 owners? I certainly do.
It would be nice to have a map with pins to show how widespread our beloved boats are, And what a forum to share our joint knowledge on!

We were at one time in touch with Thomas in Texas via email but lost all data regarding this .
you can contact us directly on neilcotton2011@hotmail.co.uk
any other owners still watching this thread please feel free to contact. But no time wasters please as we have a re-fit going on!
Regards
N&S
1 Day Ago 01:37 PM
Holthoefer
Re: Frers F&C 44

Hello Neil & Sue, As far as I have heard "Fjord VIII" from 1978 is the oldest grp one and was former owned by the Frers family.
You can find the boat on the internet because it is offered by the Broker Jose Frers.
Like you, I had already replaced nearly everything on the boat including teak deck and toerail in former years.
I am not shure about the necessity of a chain plate reconstruction. Bulges can only be seen up high out of water and did not change over the years. Two holes through the laminate to the steal structure revealed rust in the upper region , not in the lower.
In the end I prefer a perfect reconstruction with rigg change to the later models. That means only one chain plate for the main mast at each side and an additional forestay. Very important is a change of the passing through the deck. The old system is never leakproof.
I wish you good luck with your idea, but the delamination would not be solved.
Regards Klaus
1 Day Ago 06:00 PM
evangeline44
Re: Frers F&C 44

Hi Klaus,
Evangeline is K11 so about the oldest I've come across on various Fora. Do you know of any earlier ones?
She was launched in August 1979. So like yours she has the chainplates bonded into the hull - a serious design flaw.

Quite agree about not crossing the Atlantic for the work but if they (GIBW) would let you see the pictures I just thought they would be very useful to yourself and certainly useful to another repair yard in Europe.

I monitor the slight bulges where the chain plates are on a regular basis but as Evangeline has been out for our re-fit for 3 years ( West system decks, new betamarine engine and hydraulics, new rig, electrics, plumbing etc. etc...........)
Until we get her sailing again this summer we can only pray that there is still plenty of strength there , as we cannot afford the costs required or the interior damage that would result in order to get access from the inside.

WHEN we have to replace them I would think seriously about mounting external 'strap' type traditional chainplates through-bolted to internal pads. I think that done properly with a horizontal spreader to space them out from the topsides and toerail and to counteract the tumblehome in the topsides would look OK and in-keeping with the now 'traditional' look of the F&C so the old chainplates could stay in and just be cut off flush with the deck.
The above may be a bit difficult to understand but I could knock up a quick sketch if that would help you.

The downside would be the loss of sheeting angle for overlapping foresails.
But not racing anyway and gentlemen never go to windward!!??

Regards
N&S
2 Days Ago 03:01 PM
Holthoefer
Re: Frers F&C 44

Hello Neil and Sue,
thank you very much for your answer and assistance.
I already mailed to Great Island Boatworks and got no reply yet. A costumer from Europe will surely not pass the ocean for a refit.
The problem concerns mainly the older models with three chain plates for the main-mast on both sides, on which the material in the hull
is not really waterresistant and rust with the time.
Thank you once more for your help.
Kiind regards Klaus
2 Days Ago 02:41 PM
evangeline44
Re: Frers F&C 44

Hi Klaus
We have not touched Evangelines Chainplates YET!

A previous post on this thread refered to a re-fit carried out by Great Island Boatworks in Maine on a sistership.
I looked at their website a couple of years ago and sure enough there was a good selection of pics showing the peeling of the topsides, removal of the old chainplates, fabrication and redesign of new replacement and fitting and fairing.
The work looked to be of a fantastic quality.

UNFORTUNATELY I have just checked on the up-dated website and these pics are no longer there!
In fact their site has been totally up-dated and only more recent re-fits are featured.

I can only suggest that you email them via their link, and ask very nicely if they could send you a link to the previous website or picture attachments.

Let me know how you get on.

Good luck and kind regards

Neil & Sue
4 Days Ago 03:00 PM
Holthoefer
Re: Frers F&C 44

Reading your post, I realized having exactly the same problem that you discribed. The chain plates on my F&C44 hull K16 are rotten.
The craftsmen on the yard are puzzled about the whole construction. Having only two of these boats in Gemany means the yards have no experience in this kind of reconstruction. So I would be glad if you could give me information about the
step by step progress of the repair. Especially photographs from imside/outside that show the approach and complexity would be very
helpful.
I thank you in advance for assistance
Regards
Klaus
kholthoefer@t-online.de
10-01-2015 05:22 PM
JBJ
Re: Frers F&C 44

I have been interested in buying an F&C44 for some time and wish to get an opportunity to sail with an experienced owner to appreciate the boat at sea and check if it is what I am looking for. I never owned a boat of this size and was puzzled with a short trial I did once recently. Meanwhile I remain very attracted by the boat and wish to learn more about her.
Could one of the current owners invite me onboard? I am based in the Netherlands and can travel a reasonable distance.
JB (jb.juery@me.com)
06-12-2015 12:34 AM
EvelynL K-22 here... I removed the plexiglass ports, and replaced them with tempered glass, and rebed each Port with high quality Butyl Tape-- not a leak again in two years running I have owned her.
It is the 5-Part seal that is critical... (Yes I am including the outter chrome plated brass 'flange')
11-13-2014 02:22 PM
Holthoefer
Re: Frers F&C 44

Thank you very much for your answer.
Still I ask myself why they used such a thread on the bolts. They are definitely
not made for fixation in wood or grp.
Maybe they glued female-skrew-nuts into the coachroof from inside?
nevertheless I now know that I can risk to remove it.
I would be grateful for getting a picture of the installation/hole.
Thank you in advance.
Regards
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