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|05-16-2010 06:54 AM|
The amount of obvious confusion in this thread regarding Seawinds is surprising.
Number #1....If you can find a Seawind for $10,000 that is not an absolute basket-case...snap it up!!! Seawinds are worth far more than that.
I really had to laugh at the one commenter that suggested you'll never get your money and intimated that it would be an upside-down investment.
NEVER, EVER buy a boat as a financial investment. That is ludicrous. You don't buy and equip a boat for offshore use with an eye to what you'd get for it if you ever sell it any more than you'd raise a child with an eye to what his/her net material worth would be in 30 years. I find that type of thinking myopic and almost offensive.
When the surveyor (a very knowledgable, experienced blue-water boat specialist) looked over my 1963 Seawind ketch, he gave it a replacement value of $145,000. Granted that is not "market-value", but instead, the amount it would cost to build a boat of similar quality and workmanship today...he also stated that was a very conservative amount, noting the sales prices of inferior vessels such as Catalinas and Hunters.
Seawinds are extremely robustly made....I've tested out that robustness many times now. To compare it with what 30 foot clorox-bottles are going for is merely specious and shows a lack of consideration as to the build quality of the hull, deck and house.
Many boats built in the sixties were built with end-grain balsa deck core. As stuff like Air-X and keflex(sp), and other high-end closed-cell foam core didn't exist at that time, end-grain balsa was the best you could get back then. But anytime you have balsa-core, you have to properly re-bed all deck fittings religiously....do that, and balsa will last a LONG time. Don't do that and the balsa will soak.
Note that there is a difference in interior layout between a small 30 foot or less offshore boat and a 30 foot coastal cruiser...as looking at any Catalina 30 would show you - they are HUGE down below. But huge down below is NOT a good thing in 20 foot seas.
For reasons I cannot fathom, Allied Seawinds have always had ridiculously LOW used market prices. Far too low for their quality and type of UN-modified full-keel offshore hull with beautiful sailing characteristics.
I think they remain low beacuse people now expect sailboats to be more like Catalina, Hunter, Benetau floating Winnebagos, albeit fairly fast, with big wide interiors and swivel seats down below. Sad. Thomas Gillmer designed the Seawind as an offshore boat that would and could take you anywhere in the world. That is the Seawind's primary directive. Too compare them to a clorox-boat just because they share the same set of build-years is like I said...specious and shortsighted.
One thing....Seawinds were essentially a product of the sixties and seventies...and as such they have one drawback: Formica!!!!!! Get rid of that horrible Formica counter-top and table-top and you'll be good to go!
I replaced the Formica countertops on mine with cobalt blue tile and replaced the table formica with an antique world chart under about 20 coats of clear epoxy...and put in maple and ash veneer in the fore-cabin and chain-locker access hatch, and put copper sheeting for the galley surrounds. Interior looks really nice now...like the cabin on an old pilot schooner.
The point is Seawinds are worth FAR more than their market-value, as long as they are well maintained with forethought. I would put them in the same build-quality and ruggedness category as Cape George, or Ingrid or Bristol Channel Cutter (without the custom cabin-roof, though)...and so as far as current selling prices, they present an awfully good deal for one wanting a small ketch to comfortably cross oceans, and one that also sails the bay like a dream.
|04-04-2010 08:41 PM|
|cockerline123||Sure send me some pictures. My email is daniel.cockerline - at - gmail.com|
|04-04-2010 08:15 PM|
yes it's true, $20K kind of limits your choice, but look you创re a sailnet guy, so maybe I can offer you something attractive. I am going to offer mine at 29,000. She needs a new shaft seal, but if you want to take care of that I can let her go for near the price you are thinking of paying. She is a good clean boat. I can send you a full description and fotos if you e mail me. She is in Key Largo.
|04-04-2010 09:17 AM|
|cockerline123||Yeah still interested in the Seawinds but.... I think I have seen every one on the east coast at this point. I am trying to spend 20k or less which pretty much thins it down to just a few, most of which are in really bad shape. There just aren't that many out there. Found one which I tried to buy and the seller decided to keep it last minute. Back to square one! These really are a solid boat though. I have learned a lot about them. Let me know if you come across any good ones! In the mean time I will probably buy a pearson vanguard and dream of a ketch rig with that great little bowsprit.|
|03-30-2010 01:45 PM|
still looking at the Allied Seawind?
Are you still interested in the allied? Maybe I can help with a few comments. As Calebd mentioned, I sailed one down the east coast last year single handed with not a great deal of experience it must be said. CalebD was a very welcome passenger around NY harbour.
My impressions? I will echo Jeff H 创s comments. She创s Not really designed for coastal. A great safe boat for crossing an ocean, albeit a little slowly. Hull speed 6.7knts. Couldn创t squeeze any more out of her. Additional speed would have saved me time at the helm (no autopilot) allowing me to reach port more quickly, more refreshed, less chance of an accident, and in daylight. On some days after steering for 12 - 14 hrs I was pretty knackered.
She创s A little cramped below, but if single handing not so much a problem. Very sea kindly and forgiving.
Cost? Can创t agree more about what磗 already been said. Going for one in better condition between say 20K and 30K, with fewer details, is better than spending time and money on renovation, although any boat of this age is probably going to require a little TLC.
I dont regret my purchase for one moment. I was lucky. Mine was hardly used. Just 150 hrs on the engine! Even though a survey may cost around 5% of the purchase price, well worth it. Mine Highlighted the details on the boat and work that needed doing. Very useful and re assuring.
For the future I am now looking at something a little faster/ larger/ autopilot etc such as a benetau 423.
If you创re around Florida, you are welcome to take a look at mine in Key Largo to get more familiar with them or you can ask me about any specific points.
Ian (the "crazy" Brit).
|01-26-2010 06:34 PM|
I like the way the 32' Seawind hove to with mizzen and jib alone.
Versatile sail configurations with a ketch rigged boat.
|01-26-2010 06:12 PM|
If you and your Seawind are ever near the Connecticut River, I'd welcome a chance to check out your boat. I own Patience, ASW1 #105 and we live in Old Saybrook, CT. I've tackled similar projects to you (except the replacing the standing rigging and sails).
Cockerline123 - I agree with Jeff H that the strong point of this boat is its simplicity and the best improvements are those that enhance the existing systems without adding a lot of complexity. Of course, I don't always listen to my own advice - I'd like to install a water wash down pump to replace the "canvas bucket" system for cleaning the anchor and rode. And a wifi system would be nice...
I recently built a website to catalog my boat projects and you can see pictures of Patience there:
The chronicle of my efforts to keep old plastic boats afloat (Bill's Classic Plastic Boats)
|01-26-2010 09:40 AM|
I'd point out that the newer engine, the RIB and sails alone would account for the $10000 difference in price more likely than not. Was the rigging in reasonable shape or was it shot?
Originally Posted by Seawind52 View Post
|01-26-2010 09:00 AM|
We paid mid-$20K for our Seawind 30 over ten years ago. Our boat has a custom mahoghany interior and came with reasonable sails, newer Volvo penta 28hp, and High Performance Zodiak w/15hp Yamaha.
|01-26-2010 05:25 AM|
The great thing about our Seawind is that it is one of the most seaworthy boats in our marina. Be realistic about how much work you can do yourself and your budget for professional services. I would encourage you to buy the best boat that you can afford (in order to spend more time sailing). You're welcome to come look at my boat as a benchmark.
So yeah this is really helpful. This is what I'm looking at doing right now too although things are looking more and more tenative... I guess without asking you straight up what you bought her for (which would be great to know but I dont expect you to post that) what would you think a fair price for a seawind is in that condition... I know tough question, but just ballpark.
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