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02-12-2010 07:33 PM
davidpm
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Originally Posted by stormkreau View Post
My first reply to a post.
Welcome to sailnet Storm.
Nice gentle post to someone who seems like they could use a little help thinking things through.
02-12-2010 05:17 PM
sailingdog Nice post... but I'd point out that the OP probably doesn't have enough experience on boats to make the claim of:

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I will make sure it doesn't sink or explode or burn while you are away; I will take care of any other simple tasks as can be done by an unskilled person,
There is a base level of knowledge that is required to keep a boat safe, and a person who knows nothing about boats is a hazard when living aboard one.

For instance, things like the way the galley stove on a boat work are usually a bit different, at least on most sailboats I've been on, than they are in a terrestrial situation. If the boat has a propane stove, while superficially similar to a natural gas stove, it has some key differences. First, there's usually a propane solenoid and sniffer. If you don't know how to use this, there's no chance you're going to light the stove. Second, most marine use propane stoves have a flame detection safety system of some sort, so that if the flame on the stove goes out, gas doesn't flow unimpeded into the cabin. If you don't know about this, and do manage to get propane to the stove, you'll have trouble lighting it... since you have to hold the knob in for a few seconds until the burner heats up.

Another example: using the head on most sailboats is considerably more complicated than just flushing... and if you're living aboard a boat and using the head on it, you have to know how to arrange for pumpouts on a regular basis. Yes, using the flush and pump valve on the marine head is simple, once you know how...but most people who don't sail, have never dealt with a marine head—and this applies to most powerboaters, who usually have an electric head. Leaving the head pump in the flush position can actually sink some boats...


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Originally Posted by stormkreau View Post
My first reply to a post. I did a little searching around and there are indeed a few people in the world who want boat sitters. I would suggest that in future you don't talk all about what you want and how you have nothing to offer otherwise. You are not being bold or honest here. Just stupid. There are people who need someone to watch their boat for them while they travel, just like house-sitting. Eventually, they should know about how much time you will be spending on your projects and how little time you plan to spend learning to care for the boat. It seems here as if you really have no interest in doing that whatsoever. Your video/graphics career is directly orthagonal to the typical boat-lover begging to be allowed to take care of somebody's life dream so they can be around the boating community and learn other boating-related skills and make boating industry connections. It is very similar to crewing IMO, but a crew with no experience or desire other than their own completely unrelated career isn't crew, it's a house-sitter on a boat. So, that is what you are looking for, and you really should just be telling people the things they need to know for that. IMO. Keep in mind, too, that most boat owners absolutely believe that the world is what you make of it, but they also hate people who think they can get what they want just by asking someone to do it for them. For this to be anything more than a temporary arrangement, you will have to do something in return, or hop from boat to boat as the owners travel for short periods, IMO. Good luck. So, don't lead with your lack of experience and relatively little interest in doing any real work for the owner. Lead with your value, which is, I will make sure it doesn't sink or explode or burn while you are away; I will take care of any other simple tasks as can be done by an unskilled person, if you list them for me and tell me what is required. I am nice and trustworthy and driven to achomplishment in my own life (translation, no crazy crack parties while you are away).
02-12-2010 04:36 PM
stormkreau
Making Me Cringe

My first reply to a post. I did a little searching around and there are indeed a few people in the world who want boat sitters. I would suggest that in future you don't talk all about what you want and how you have nothing to offer otherwise. You are not being bold or honest here. Just stupid. There are people who need someone to watch their boat for them while they travel, just like house-sitting. Eventually, they should know about how much time you will be spending on your projects and how little time you plan to spend learning to care for the boat. It seems here as if you really have no interest in doing that whatsoever. Your video/graphics career is directly orthagonal to the typical boat-lover begging to be allowed to take care of somebody's life dream so they can be around the boating community and learn other boating-related skills and make boating industry connections. It is very similar to crewing IMO, but a crew with no experience or desire other than their own completely unrelated career isn't crew, it's a house-sitter on a boat. So, that is what you are looking for, and you really should just be telling people the things they need to know for that. IMO. Keep in mind, too, that most boat owners absolutely believe that the world is what you make of it, but they also hate people who think they can get what they want just by asking someone to do it for them. For this to be anything more than a temporary arrangement, you will have to do something in return, or hop from boat to boat as the owners travel for short periods, IMO. Good luck. So, don't lead with your lack of experience and relatively little interest in doing any real work for the owner. Lead with your value, which is, I will make sure it doesn't sink or explode or burn while you are away; I will take care of any other simple tasks as can be done by an unskilled person, if you list them for me and tell me what is required. I am nice and trustworthy and driven to achomplishment in my own life (translation, no crazy crack parties while you are away).
01-27-2010 03:01 AM
krozet I cant figure out how you are making a living working in so much dying/non revenue generating media... Might be a clue as to why you are looking for a free place to stay.
01-26-2010 11:50 PM
davidpm At two marina's I've been to recently, one in CT and one in San Diego there was a company offering powerboats as condo's. The deal was the renter did not get the key but they did pay several hundred dollars a month in rent but it was a little cheaper than a hotel and more private.
The Boat owner got a cut the marina got a cut and of course the rental company got a cut. Far from cheap but I might try it some day instead of a hotel.
01-26-2010 08:11 PM
smackdaddy
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Originally Posted by musazwana View Post
Unfortunately I was born with a bold spirit and am willing to ask questions because I want to know the answer, or at least get closer to it. If all it takes to explore the idea of boat sitting is posting a question on a forum and getting some REAL answers from experienced people, I JUST LEARNED SOMETHING! Sorry if I ruffled any feathers but I appreciate those who honestly gave me their thoughts into the situation.
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Learn More. Do More. Be More.
Like I said - never hurts to ask dude. Anyway, ruffling feathers is fun. Hang in there.
01-26-2010 07:34 PM
Hagen
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01-26-2010 07:04 PM
sailingdog As pointed out above, a boat big enough for you to live and work on comfortably, is going to be a fairly expensive asset for the owner. As far as I can see, you have NO real skills that make you desirable as a boat sitter. You don't have any woodworking skills, varnishing skills, fiberglassing skills, plumbing or mechanical skills from what you've said. So as SmackDaddy put it...there ain't much quid pro quo there...so what exactly is the incentive for anyone to allow a complete stranger, who is not capable of maintaining much less upgrading the boat, to live on it rent free?

The internet says a lot of things, but not all of them are anywhere close to being real-world accurate. Boat-sitting is not a viable option in 99.9999% of the marinas that I can think of. I'd point out that having someone living aboard actually costs the person who owns the boat money, as many marinas have a liveaboard fee. Also, the electrical and water usage for the boat will go up if someone is living aboard. Yet, you're expecting someone to absorb these extra costs for the privilege of having you mooch off of them.

Now, paying part of the marina fees may not be an option... since accepting money to let you live on their boat may move them from a personal boat to a commercial venture. That gets into a lot of money for commercial insurance and also requires that they have a USCG license, since they might be considered chartering the boat in effect.

Of the ideas offered in this thread, the only one that might even be close to reasonable is you buying an inexpensive boat to liveaboard. If the boat was outfitted properly, say with a decent solar panel, small refrigerator, a shore power setup with hot water heater, etc... you could probably live aboard it for far less than your rent would be in many locations. My marina charges about $2700 for a boat to sit at a slip from April until November...if you figure that's almost eight months... that is less than $350 a month... There are not many places you can rent your own place, on the water for that amount.
01-26-2010 03:16 PM
AE28 Maybe musa could incorporate gun violence whilst visiting this website into the documentary???

Paul
01-26-2010 03:01 PM
smackdaddy Okay - so here's a question...what kind of situation would make something like this attractive? For example, let's say it's some kid with killer handyman skills (fiberglass work, painting, plumbing, mechanic, etc.) and you had just bought a floating trainwreck of a boat in need of TONS of work.

The kid is willing to put X number of hours per week doing a great job of cleaning, fixing, etc. - under your general supervision. The kid's also willing to pay some portion of the slip fee for stupid cheap rent. Does it become attractive then?

Seems to me, as you mention wind, that at some level it could start to make sense.

I mean, forget all the legal/insurance crap for now. I'm just trying to see what people think WOULD work in such a situation.
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