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02-11-2010 01:34 AM
Architeuthis
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Originally Posted by jrd22 View Post
Arch- I don't think you understand the problem. It isn't harvested logs from the evil logging companies that are the problem (you see a few but not too many anymore), it's old logs and bits and pieces that have been on the beaches for a long, long time. The extremely high tides wash them off the beaches and then it takes awhile for them to find a new home. These are mostly trees that have washed down the rivers during floods and knockdowns along the shore. We had one big log wash away from in front of our place this winter that had been there forever. Nobody is going to come around and harvest the literally millions of beach logs between here and the north end of Vancouver Island, for one thing there isn't a market for half rotted timber.
Hey don't call a company I might work for evil! Then again many do use that term for most of the companies I have worked for, LOL.

Around here it is very much logging debris. The big saw blade marks would be the proof of that.

Most of the debris in this area show such signs but yes I was suggesting that even natural debris or such similar threats to navigation should be cleared by the logging companies.

This is the case in the Oil Sand industry. It was natural for the river to have an oil sheen on it from exposed soil. That was before the area was exploited. You can still find the odd oil sheen but if it comes from any of the oil sand sites it is addressed right away even if natural. David Suzuki does not care if the oil came from the earth naturally or leeched from a tailing pond.

I'm suggesting the logging companies get out ahead of this problem and start cleaning up the water ways and beaches.

I'm positive that boaters have been killed by their products. I see many deadheads that have been cut. One in particular that was at least 4' in diameter and 15' long, likely longer as I could only see so far into the depths. The only bit showing on the water surface was no larger than a slice of watermelon yet it weighted tons. They are out there, impossible to see and the person that put them there should bear some responsiblity. You or I would if we made a practice of it.
02-11-2010 12:05 AM
jrd22 Arch- I don't think you understand the problem. It isn't harvested logs from the evil logging companies that are the problem (you see a few but not too many anymore), it's old logs and bits and pieces that have been on the beaches for a long, long time. The extremely high tides wash them off the beaches and then it takes awhile for them to find a new home. These are mostly trees that have washed down the rivers during floods and knockdowns along the shore. We had one big log wash away from in front of our place this winter that had been there forever. Nobody is going to come around and harvest the literally millions of beach logs between here and the north end of Vancouver Island, for one thing there isn't a market for half rotted timber.
02-10-2010 11:35 PM
Bilgewater
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Originally Posted by bwindrope View Post
seayalatermoonglow I watched your Toba video. Great stuff. Which boat was powering? Looks like you are on a Fisher, a sister ship of sorts to my Gulf. I would miss an outside wheel I think...

What was your anchoring like up the inlet? I've been around those parts quite a bit but never been inside Toba or Bute, but hope to some day.
Thanks bwind, the fishboat was under power, although I was driving for a while with not a lot of extra effort surprisingly enough.

No It's not a fisher, mine is very different. It's a Truant 33 pilothouse version and it has a cockpit helm as well as the wheel house helm. It has a fin keel with a skeg rudder so it's just as quick as many cruisers of it's size. It's a Bill Garden design, just like your Gulf 32.

I'm up Toba regularly and it's great but the video shows only overcast conditions, in clear weather, it's spectacular. There is excellent anchoring in Brem Bay half way up and it's pretty good protection from the outflows. The head of the inlet also offers good holding but no real protection from outflows but you can always surf it back to Brem River. There are also a few old logging floats along the way but they're the boomstick variety and some are a bit questionable. Well worth the trip up, shouldn't me missed.
02-10-2010 11:10 PM
Bilgewater
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Hey, seayalatermoonglow, sorry you were on a dud. I saw a couple dud Gulf 32's before buying Aeolus. Saw one in Gig Harbor that had deck rot, oooh, that was bad. Good old Aeolus had suffered benign neglect and was like a museum piece when I got her. Now she is, well, my hearts desire.

Looks like your photo is a pilothouse. What are you on these days?

Was down at the docks this morning and saw the poor port guy already towing logs out of the harbor. Beside the logs, I don't know what will get done about the mass of flotsam and jetsam too small to tow away. The port here is like a catacomb and once stuff is in, it doesn't like to get out.

Suppose to be snotty this weekend, so the wife and I are revising our plans to make sure we get some good sails in open water and anchor somewhere sheltered from the S/SE!

The problem with the Gulf 32 I was looking at was also the deck rot and my biggest problem was the sales creature from the brokerage trying to tell me that i'ts no big deal and I could fix it for under two grand. That's when I got quite irritated and asked for my deposit back, it only cost me a haulout and half survey, so I got out lightly.
02-10-2010 03:39 PM
Faster The Fraser River trap is funded by a group of forest companies and government, as I understand it, though that funding seems to be threatened every year. If that trap is let go then the amount of debris we have to avoid will be greater than it already is.

I agree the industry has come a long way.. after nearly 30 years in Pulp and Paper we've seen things go from flagrant abuse to considerable effort on behalf of pollution abatement (air and water).. unfortunately lately a large part of the reduction is from the closing of so many mills (and the economic hardship that comes from that)

I'm always amazed at the lack of flotsam in areas like the Caribbean and Mexico after sailing around here.. but they too have their hazards - fish trap lines off many of the Caribbean islands, as an example, make night passages difficult too.
02-10-2010 02:32 PM
Architeuthis Of course there is a solution, several in fact.

The first would be to require companies to keep the areas they operate in clear, or somewhat clear. That would include wood debris that is not theirs.

Many industries do that now. I have spent many hours cleaning up someone elseís mess because the public does not and should not have to care which company made it, just that our industry clean up our mess.

Next would be to get rid of license for beachcombers. If a log is free, it should be up for grabs. Of course there wouldn't be as many free logs if that was the case, and when a boom breaks it would be cleaned up quickly, one way or another. Enforcement would be needed, which is why licenses were brought in, but that should have been the response in the first place.

And finally we have to continue to change past practices.

The industry has come a long way and has a long way to go. The process of caring for the environment and protecting the public should be an ongoing one. A process which would include reducing the impact logging has on the sea and the sea bed as well as on rivers, water temperature and other issues as we learn about them. Not unlike our own boating community.

We keep that process moving by asking questions and threads like this. After a logging truck killed a co-worker I and many others made a point of telling the government that their exemption from safety rules, rules the rest of us have to follow, resulted in the death of two citizens and was not acceptable. Didnít get the law changed but practices did improve and has already saved a few lives.
02-10-2010 12:56 PM
bwindrope seayalatermoonglow I watched your Toba video. Great stuff. Which boat was powering? Looks like you are on a Fisher, a sister ship of sorts to my Gulf. I would miss an outside wheel I think...

What was your anchoring like up the inlet? I've been around those parts quite a bit but never been inside Toba or Bute, but hope to some day.
02-10-2010 12:49 PM
bwindrope Hey, seayalatermoonglow, sorry you were on a dud. I saw a couple dud Gulf 32's before buying Aeolus. Saw one in Gig Harbor that had deck rot, oooh, that was bad. Good old Aeolus had suffered benign neglect and was like a museum piece when I got her. Now she is, well, my hearts desire.

Looks like your photo is a pilothouse. What are you on these days?

Was down at the docks this morning and saw the poor port guy already towing logs out of the harbor. Beside the logs, I don't know what will get done about the mass of flotsam and jetsam too small to tow away. The port here is like a catacomb and once stuff is in, it doesn't like to get out.

Suppose to be snotty this weekend, so the wife and I are revising our plans to make sure we get some good sails in open water and anchor somewhere sheltered from the S/SE!
02-10-2010 12:22 AM
Bilgewater
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Originally Posted by bwindrope View Post
I am often grateful for the underbody on our Gulf 32: a modified full keel.
I came very close to buying one of those once, sailed it down the Sunshine Coast to Gibson's landing for a haulout/survey. It sailed very well and I was very pleased with the build/design but the survey turned up some big problems (neglect related) so I passed on it at the last minute, nice boat though.
02-10-2010 12:11 AM
tager I just motored from Cap Sante Boat Haven in Anacortes to Eastlake, Lake Union, Seattle through this stuff day and night. It is actually pretty easy to avoid if you keep a constant eye on your course. At night you just head towards a light, which is easy enough on clear nights.

The most fun was ghosting into Oak Harbor at one tenth of a knot after the motor failed. We barely had steerage to avoid the clogged waters of the channel.

Surprisingly we managed to hit 0 logs.
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