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03-24-2010 12:07 AM
starboardyacht You can find lots of older, affordable bluewater boats over here... we take for granted how accessable cruising and living aboard can be here in the good old USA... what a great adventure it will be to buy a cheap boat, make it seaworthy, sail to carib then home.... just make it happen....
03-23-2010 06:35 PM
hgv50
Albin Vega!

I would suggest an Albin Vega for about $10k - they are cheap in Scandinavia, because a lot of the 3400 that were made are still here.

Check out the review from GoodOldBoat at www dot bluemoment dot com;
"Youíd hardly guess by looking at one that the Albin Vega has earned herself a reputation for being an outstanding offshore cruiser."
02-07-2010 07:05 PM
Hmm You all have posted very valuable info for me so thank you all, once again Even though there still is a big price difference, at least now I know there are capable cruisers also at this side of the ocean Until I have read your posts, I thought a bluewater boat should have a full keel. Someone called that BS but that was not MY BS, I just had the idea at this very forum. There is this highly respected "blue water cruiser list" which, if I recall correctly, doesn't include a single fin keel boat...

Marty, I will try to find more to read about the Beneteaus and Jeanneaus and keep these names in mind and in the shopping list.

Sailingdog, I hoped I could sail anywhere with a state registrated boat but thank you for the warning. After seeing the She 31 and Rival 32, I seriously started to think that shopping around here might be a wiser thing after all...

And Brian; thank you very much for the links and mentoning Rival 32 and She 31. They really look pretty and close to my price range. They certainly are at the top of my shopping list, especially Rival 32. If you or anyone else knows other boats/ models to suggest, please do suggest.

If one day I happen to be ready and find the right boat, when I raise my glass to celebrate, I'll drink to all of your health
02-07-2010 12:54 PM
mitiempo Egemen
I looked at the boats in your link and I think you'll have to look at older boats to get down to your budget, either in the states or the EU.
02-07-2010 12:28 PM
mitiempo Don't discount fin keel boats. Many are better sailers than full keel boats and
being newer in most cases better built as well with less work needed by you.
I think if I were you I would look in the UK for as mentioned a Westerly (maybe the Storm) Contessa 32, She 31, or a Rival 32 or something similar. There is a huge selection and you're closer to home so travel expenses would be less. I have an aquaintance in England refitting a She 31 at this time and it is a very capable boat from a great designer,Sparkman & Stevens. It will go anywhere a full keel boat will and faster as well as a better sailer. Here's a link to a She 31 for sale in the UK now and the price isn't too bad. She 31 for sale - Yachtsnet Ltd. online UK yacht brokers - yacht brokerage and boat sales

As far as importing a boat, as far as I know if you are in the EU for 6 months regardless of flag you have no choice but to pay the duty (vat). This would apply to a Canadian or American citizen as well.

Here's a link to Yachtsnet in the UK, where the above link came from, and you can look at their brokerage and the archives have a lot of detail and pics of their past sales. This will give you a good idea of what is available in the UK. Yachtsnet Ltd. online UK yacht brokers - yacht brokerage and boat sales
02-07-2010 12:18 PM
Hmm When I say Europe is expensive, I mean this. 5th boat is in US, rest in Europe.
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02-07-2010 10:36 AM
Hmm Hi Keith; I was interested in westerlies but I heard of them often developing osmosis so I am kinda affraid of them. If I understood correctly, For USCG documentation I need to be a US citizen but for a state registration I do not need to be.
Keeping the boat in Turkey is not big deal because my sister lives there and I have some friends who would help me...
02-07-2010 09:55 AM
sailingdog I'd point out that many countries will not accept a STATE-REGISTERED boat from the US, as US States have no sovereignty internationally. Only a US citizen can have a US-Flagged boat, which would be a USCG documented boat. The further from the US you get, the less likely a state-registration is going to be recognized.

Since you're not a US Citizen, you'd have to flag your boat elsewhere.

If you're serious about getting a boat in the US, it might be well worthwhile to have someone local to the boat check it out before you fly over to see it yourself.

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Originally Posted by Hmm View Post
Thank you all for the input I understand what you all mean by suggesting me to find a boat here in Europe. Almost every article or opinion I have read prior to my first post here suggested a ocean going boat should have full keel. Leaving Hallberg Rassy aside, I don't know a single boat with full keel in Europe. And a HR from seventies cost $50.000 or more. Add to this all the equipment to be replaced or fixed and I could only keep dreaming... When it comes to Beneteaus, I wonder how many people would consider crossing Atlantic in one; I wouldn't. Again, following this forum , I so understood that displacement of the boat is important. Neither Jeanneau nor Beneteau are heavy boats. And, again, heavily priced compared to the ones in US, very heavily indeed. Sailing is luxury in this part of the world but lifestile in North America and I can see that clearly in prices.
When I talked about shower, I did mean I needed one while I sail around Caribbean, not during the ocean crossing. That would be too valuable water to be wasted for showers
I am not planning to import it to EU ever because of the tax and CE certification. Instead, I would have state registration in the US and keep the boat in Turkey where things seem more reasonable and as long as I keep my US flag, things would work out smoothly
I recently found a Bristol 29, asking price is $ 7000 and owner says he consider all "real" offers. Another one is asking $ 11500 for a B32 from seventies. Put 15 k on that for fitting and 3 k for flight and accomodation in US and still far cheaper then buying a fin keel boat with nearly half the displacement of a Bristol or Alberg 30.
Well, I, as told before, I'm just asking for opinions and info at the moment and try to learn so when I am ready to hit the road for the actual shopping, I know what I look for therefore every opinion is very welcome and thank you all again
02-07-2010 09:37 AM
blt2ski A number of folks on the Jeanneau owners forum sail there 29+ boats from England to the main land, even from Finland/sweden etc too. My 85 Jeanneau Arcadia has an open water cert from that time frame. I would consider sailing across open water for a day or two. Not sure I would want to do an Atlantic or pacific........but with proper planning etc, it could be done.

Also, this BS about full keels are the only ocean going boats.......just that BS. Look at the new HR's, Oysters. Swans etc, ALL are partial or fin keels. Also for the given length, will be faster due to the less wt of the boat. Along wth the ability to out run to a degree a storm. Altho at 30', the likely hood is slim. Now if talking an open 60 vs a full keel 60' boat, no issues. as open 60's can hit 20+ knots vs a full keel max is about 9-10.

Jeanneau Attalia's is a 32' boat from the 80's, very plentiful in Europe. I recall seeing prices in the upper teen to low 20K euro. From a quick exchange rate in my brain, a bit more money, but overall, still probably less than a boat from here.

The Ben oceanus, altho not my personal favorite, will do what you want. the First series, like an older 28, 30 or 32 will do what you want. Many are raced in double.single hand ocean races such as the transquandra. There is a person upfitting an older Jeanneau SO33 for such a race, as IIRC the requirement was a 10m boat.

Marty
02-07-2010 06:59 AM
mintcakekeith unless you are a us citysen i dont think you can keep the us flag and if you import to EU country vat and the rcd apply.there are boats available in UK and europe about your purchase price range but they would all need substantial amount spent on them to make blue water capable.Possibly a wharam cat may fit the bill as they are relatively cheap and usualy V strong and seaworthy .Also some of the Westerlies make good ocean cruisers .Keeping a boat in turky can get complicated as I understand that you have to post a bond when you leave it there. Best of luck Keith.
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