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03-13-2010 07:14 PM
mitiempo I don't think I would call the FD-12 a "12 meter class boat." Acording to sailboatdata.com 25 FD-12's were built by Ta Yang (Tayana)
Below are pics of the FD-12 and 12 meters.
03-13-2010 06:35 PM
roline A baby stay is a lower shroud that usually connects on the mast where the rear lowers also attach to control the very slight mid mast bend in a mast head rig. instead of having dual for and aft lowers, it is triangulated. When jybing the spinnaker pole, it is a little pain in the _ss but can be worked around. The Cal 9.2 is one of the IOR designs with one. Some of the 9.2's were modified with a block and tackle to allow it to be bungeed to the mast while jybing to keep it out of the way.
The baby stay is really mounted too low on the mast to work for a cutter rig or inner forestay. On RAMPAGE a Cal 2-30 we flew a tallboy from the jib halyand with the tack cleated mid foredeck on the windward rail. Another name for this sail is a spinnaker staysail. It would harness the airflow that escaped between the spinnaker and main.
02-14-2010 01:31 PM
SJ34 Dog, IOR 12Meter = sloop

Dwayne, very cool pic. Just looking at it gets my adrenalin going. If you haven't run your stayail yet you are missing out.
I rigged my boat for a Dazy Stays'l recently and WOW. It is an extremely versatile sail and being a stay-less sail and easy to rig has saved my bacon once already.
02-14-2010 08:44 AM
sailingdog The reply wasn't meant to be caustic...but informative... too many people automatically think that if a sailboat has multiple headsails, that it must be a cutter rig. This is simply not true.

Did Eva say whether your boat is a cutter design or a multi-headsail sloop rig?

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The Dogs somewhat caustic reply about what makes a sloop vs a cutter was at first taken as a bit of a put down but after I had a little time to think about it I became very curious about what was in the mind of the designer, so I contacted her.

She is Eva Hollmann and has always been very helpful when I had a question about my boat. You see I have hull #1 of only 6 built. It was designed as a IOR 12 meter class boat. When I contacted her she said "Hi Dwayne: your question has me a bit puzzled, because on the FD-12, that "little sail" is as classic a staysail as they come! It was intended to be a supplement to the jib, to pretty much fill the foretriangle while keeping the individual sails small; it was intended as a self-tending working sail when short-tacking. When way off the wind with a chute up, it could well fly underneath without seriously stealing air from it."

Unfortunately I've never flown this staysail but now I'm really anxious to dig thru the sail inventory I got with the boat, which is considerable, and find the sail and try it out.





02-13-2010 09:15 PM
DwayneSpeer
Curiosity

The Dogs somewhat caustic reply about what makes a sloop vs a cutter was at first taken as a bit of a put down but after I had a little time to think about it I became very curious about what was in the mind of the designer, so I contacted her.

She is Eva Hollmann and has always been very helpful when I had a question about my boat. You see I have hull #1 of only 6 built. It was designed as a IOR 12 meter class boat. When I contacted her she said "Hi Dwayne: your question has me a bit puzzled, because on the FD-12, that "little sail" is as classic a staysail as they come! It was intended to be a supplement to the jib, to pretty much fill the foretriangle while keeping the individual sails small; it was intended as a self-tending working sail when short-tacking. When way off the wind with a chute up, it could well fly underneath without seriously stealing air from it."

Unfortunately I've never flown this staysail but now I'm really anxious to dig thru the sail inventory I got with the boat, which is considerable, and find the sail and try it out.





02-10-2010 09:41 AM
catamount For a cutter, the mast is located 50% or more back on the length of the sail plan.

For those IOR-era sloops with large "J" measurements (fore-triangle) and very short "E" measurements (foot of mainsail), the mast pretty much IS 50% or more back on the length of the sailplan, and so maybe we could consider them cutters!
02-10-2010 09:27 AM
CaptnAl So at what point for stepping the mast does the tranistion occur to make a cutter rig? Is there a clean cut point, like a yawl and ketch mizzen mast relative to the rudder post?
02-10-2010 09:14 AM
sailingdog I'd point out that having multiple headstays and headsails does NOT make a boat a cutter rig. A cutter has the mast in a different position than does a sloop. It would at most make it a multiple headsail sloop. The mast on a cutter rig is stepped further aft than it is on a sloop.

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My boat is also fitted with a baby stay that is adjustable and is fitted to the foredeck about 18 inches forward of the mast; however I have a photo of the previous owner under full spinnaker with the baby stay fitted to a track that runs amid ship forward and with a sail hanked on to it. It looks like it could be made into a cutter rig. The photo was taken from a helicopter ( I think) and they are really flying judging from the wake they are leaving.


02-10-2010 03:37 AM
tdw
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Originally Posted by DwayneSpeer View Post
Yup, I know it's not acting as a baby stay in the photo but is now rigged as a baby stay with the possibility to move it back and use it as a staysail rig. Sort of multiuse.
I'm surprised that the Baby stay would be long enough to reach that far forward. We have a removeable inner forestay as well as the baby and there is no way that they could be interchanged. Obviously your setup is very different to ours.

From my previous post...do you have forward lowers ? If not then I'm thinking you merely have a removeable inner and not a true baby.

edit....I think I may be right here. A baby stay attaches at the spreaders. At least it does on a single spreader rig cos its main purpose is to act as a substitute for the absent forward lowers.
02-10-2010 02:56 AM
Stillraining Clear as glass ..Thanks Brian
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