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09-02-2010 07:59 PM
PCP It is not official but I have heard that the next cup will be raced on big cats (77ft) with a fixed wing.

I don't mind the cats, but I am affraid that the budget to build and race those machines would be so big that most of the teams would have no means to compete.

Regards

Paulo
02-24-2010 09:20 PM
smackdaddy Cool! Thanks PCP.
02-24-2010 07:01 PM
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Regards

Paulo
02-20-2010 12:33 PM
CalypsoP35
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Originally Posted by PCP View Post
Can you explain this idea a little bit better?

The defender is the NYYC, so that regatta to determine the defender would be what? I mean what would be the contenders?

Regards

Paulo
I'm not sure exactly when it started, but at least in the last few AC regatta's hosted by the NYYC. The NYYC held a regatta to pick the defender of the cup. There were usually a few boats that vied for this honor. Most if not all the boat in the defender regatta were sponsored by individuals or organizations that were not affiliated with the NYYC. (I don't know if they had to become members of NYYC or not, but I don't think so.) I think the defender regatta was open to all boats that qualified as "US" boats under the rules in place at the time.

A similar regatta was held for all the non-US boats challenging for the Cup. I believe the first challenger's regatta in this series was well before Luis Vitton began sponsoring the challenger's regatta.

This is how the NYYC kept the cup for so many years. It was not necessarily a NYYC funded defender that would defend the cup. In effect the NYYC was putting up the best US boat and using it to defend the NYYC's right to the cup.

I think, under the deed of gift if the challenger does not agree to the format established, the challenger of record can do what Ellison did and challenge to a no holds barred race to control the cup.

If I screwed up any of this explanation, I'm sure someone will be more than happy to tell us I scewed something up.
02-20-2010 11:57 AM
PCP
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Originally Posted by CalypsoP35 View Post
... all parties will go back to NYYC format of agreeing on parameters of the vessels for the next challenge and will likely include ... a regatta to determine the defender". ...
Can you explain this idea a little bit better?

The defender is the NYYC, so that regatta to determine the defender would be what? I mean what would be the contenders?

Regards

Paulo
02-20-2010 11:07 AM
downeast450
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You are right, motorcycles and all .

Paulo
Thanks,

Down
02-20-2010 11:05 AM
CalypsoP35
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Originally Posted by KeelHaulin View Post
It most certainly was a true AC regatta... Go to the AC website and look at the history of the AC and you will see that the LV Cup format is a new race format to improve the competitiveness of the challenger.

The "Deed of Gift" is the original governing document of the America's Cup. To challenge under the rules of the Deed of Gift is an AC Regatta in the truest sense of the sport (no LV Cup series).
Actually, I agree with KH and in fact made that point in an earlier post were I stated that the NYYC actually bastardized the AC with their 12 meter format. So yes, I stand corrected.

The point I was trying to make was that now we expect that all parties will go back to NYYC format of agreeing on parameters of the vessels for the next challenge and will likely include a regatta to determine the challenger and a regatta to determine the defender". This should put a greater emphasis on sailing accument while still putting a premium on design (however, within limits). SO STOP WHINNING!!!!!!!!

There was an article the RI govenor sent Ellison a letter requesting that they consider returning the AC to Newport. Lord knows, the RI economy could sure use it.
02-20-2010 10:46 AM
PCP
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Originally Posted by KeelHaulin View Post
It most certainly was a true AC regatta... Go to the AC website and look at the history of the AC and you will see that the LV Cup format is a new race format to improve the competitiveness of the challenger.

Originally Posted by wikipedia
From the third defense of the Cup in 1876 through the twentieth defense in 1967, there was always one challenger and one defender, although the NYYC ran a defender selection series to pick the yacht they would use in the match. Starting in 1970, interest in challenging was so high that the NYYC started allowing multiple challengers to run a selection regatta among themselves with the winner being substituted as Challenger and going on to the actual America's Cup match. From 1983 until 2007,Louis Vuitton sponsored the Louis Vuitton Cup as a prize for the winner of the challenger selection series.
So, we are back to 67?
02-20-2010 02:10 AM
KeelHaulin
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Originally Posted by CalypsoP35 View Post
Everybody,....QUIT WHINNING!!!!! This was not a true AC regatta. It was a "Deed of Gift" challenge.
It most certainly was a true AC regatta... Go to the AC website and look at the history of the AC and you will see that the LV Cup format is a new race format to improve the competitiveness of the challenger.

The "Deed of Gift" is the original governing document of the America's Cup. To challenge under the rules of the Deed of Gift is an AC Regatta in the truest sense of the sport (no LV Cup series).

Quote:
Originally Posted by wikipedia
From the third defense of the Cup in 1876 through the twentieth defense in 1967, there was always one challenger and one defender, although the NYYC ran a defender selection series to pick the yacht they would use in the match. Starting in 1970, interest in challenging was so high that the NYYC started allowing multiple challengers to run a selection regatta among themselves with the winner being substituted as Challenger and going on to the actual America's Cup match. From 1983 until 2007,Louis Vuitton sponsored the Louis Vuitton Cup as a prize for the winner of the challenger selection series.
02-19-2010 04:37 PM
smackdaddy
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Just wondering where you two get your ideas?

How is a racing multihull inherently less safe than a racing monohull. A properly built multihull is a pretty solid boat.
Same place you get yours.

So were Alinghi and BMWO "properly" built? Fast, yes. Solid, hardly.
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