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where is everybody gone?

6K views 37 replies 23 participants last post by  EdWarren 
#1 ·
does anybody follow this blog? where is everybody gone?
 
#6 ·
Sometimes Im the only one here...where have you been?
 
#13 ·
True

Sad but true. There is a wealth of information on this board but a few feel compelled to run down the Macgregors.

Even the earlier classics were ridiculed by competitors years ago because of their cost. It's the typical sales tactic to run down your competition, even if much of it is untrue. Macgregor has done good over the years, in a declining market. I have to laugh because I see a lot more of other brands (even expensive ones) that have had known structural issues. The only serious accident that most of these "experts" can point to, was a tragic death which was caused by the serious overloading of an X model in which the operator had neglected to fill the ballast tank. If the captain of a large tanker had made the same mistake and caused an accident, I doubt the shipyard or designer would have been blamed.

With the advent of the X & M models more critics have appeared because these models are not your typical sailboat designs. They are a "dual purpose" design. Like all dual purpose designs they are a compromise. There are better sailing craft and motoring craft out there but they do a fairly good job of both. I have never sailed one myself, haven't had an opportunity. To be honest, the motoring aspect doesn't appeal to my wants but for many people they are a good answer to their needs / wants. Roger Macgregor decided that this was a niche/expanding market that showed a need to be filled.

Every board has it's own "flavor." Some are more trailer oriented and as such they are more open to the boats that we own. This board on the other hand has more types of boats listed, many of them larger / bluewater capable. Some of these owners seem to be highly opinionated. It's unfortunate because then, I tend to turn a deaf ear to those individuals, even though they possess a wealth of good information.

It would be nice if people had a bit more of an open mind to other people's choices. I think this method of communication, gives people a bit of anonymity and because of this, we tend to be a bit more direct - "rude" at times in expressing ourselves. Of course there are plenty of aholes in the "real" world too. :) I admit I have taken the same attitude, at times, towards a certain brands of motorcycles myself since I was in that field for over thirty years. I have tried to be more open minded but at times it can be hard. :)
I may be mistaken but it seems some others may have become a bit more tolerant.

I think we get tired of all the non-MacGregor owners that feel the need to bash us and our boats. There are other MacGregor freindly boards out there. :rolleyes:
 
#31 ·
I admit I have taken the same attitude, at times, towards a certain brands of motorcycles myself since I was in that field for over thirty years. I have tried to be more open minded but at times it can be hard. :)
I may be mistaken but it seems some others may have become a bit more tolerant.
This brings an old joke to mind. Motorcycle riders have undoubtedly heard it. Riding mopeds is like riding fat women. They're both fun until you get got! :laugher

I've witnessed/experienced the same attitudes about motorcycles. I bought my first Harley Davidson. My previous bikes were Japanese "rice burners". Now I supposedly own a "man's bike", though I bought an entry level HD, a Sporster, which some claim were designed for the female customer in mind (I don't care- it was priced right). So, now I get to tolerate those HD owners who "look down their noses" because they're riding $30K+ full dressers. I don't give a rat's ass. My wife and I enjoy riding it, so that's all that matters, though I am thinking of upgrading to a Wideglide for hopefully a more comfortable ride. :cool:

Maybe I'm cheap, but I'm having a hard time wrestling with the idea of spending the same amount of money on a bike that I spent for my 07 Chevy Impala that comes with HVAC and a CD player. :eek:
I imagine there's similar opinions about some boats.

The Chevy vs. Ford debate is old and often held amongst idiots. Both have made quality products, as well as they share of crap. Both have various lines to cater to different purposes. That's just good business sense in an effort to capture marketshare.

I'd love to find more of these bluewater threads mentioned.
 
#16 ·
No kidding.... Can't wait for May 2010.
 
#15 ·
I loved my Mac....and I care not for but a few Irwin's either...But I could care less what you think of my current boat ...I think its the best one for us right now...Time may or may not change that attitude.

Bashing goes on...ignore it and jump in the fray..everyone has value to some extent rather your boat does to someone else is irelivent..:)...Thanks for being here!
 
#20 ·
I have an iPhone?
 
#22 ·
This reminds me of the Harley vs. Godwing debate.
I don't care what you ride as long as you are a true biker!In the same vain, I don't care what you sail as long as you are a true sailor willing to help others sail.

And yes, I now own a M26.. It's exactly what we need right now. I have owned other makes. We are land locked and need to travel.to dive sights. The M26 has plenty of room for gear, is easy to trailer and launch and can traverse shallow areas.

It fits our needs economicaly and we can enjoy sailing at the same time.
 
#27 ·
I'll let you in on a secret about sailnet:
Racers bash cruisers.
Saltwater sailors bash freshwater sailors.
Conservative old salts bash brash overconfident novices.
Monohullers bash multihullers.
Bulb keelers bash old shoe cobblers.
and vice versa.

Don't think you are special because you feel persecuted. EVERYONE BASHES EVERYONE ELSE.

If you can, and will, defend yourself and your boat against the verbal bashing that comes your way, then you have a boat you love, and the confidence to sail her. If you feel you have to leave because your feelings are getting hurt, maybe the problem isn't everyone else...
 
#28 ·
I'll let you in on a secret about sailnet:
Racers bash cruisers.
Saltwater sailors bash freshwater sailors.
Conservative old salts bash brash overconfident novices.
Monohullers bash multihullers.
Bulb keelers bash old shoe cobblers.
and vice versa.

Don't think you are special because you feel persecuted. EVERYONE BASHES EVERYONE ELSE.

If you can, and will, defend yourself and your boat against the verbal bashing that comes your way, then you have a boat you love, and the confidence to sail her. If you feel you have to leave because your feelings are getting hurt, maybe the problem isn't everyone else...
Don't listen to him, he's from Canada :D
 
#29 ·
Were are the MacGegors

Hi all
So to start whats wrong with us Canandians? eh..lol
Most of us are under a blanket of snow. Nanna, is still all tucked up under her tarp, cold, lonely and waiting for the warmer weather, I'm with her though.
S I would say some of us are just hibernating.

Anthony
 
#30 ·
Does anyone have a link to the "tiller to engine" steering system that was on the old Bob White site?

The one that used a pcv pipe and some hooks and I bolts as I remember.
 
#32 ·
2 years ago we won a Harley Dyna Wide glide, no cash payout, so we took the darn thing home, looked at it for 2 months, then sold it with 6 km on it. We like to think of it as winning our entire electronics package, and such.
 
#33 ·
maybe.. Although if your all here or thereabouts I could do with some sailing opinions.. I am having some issues with paperwork on my boat. It seems that the broker I bought her from did not give me the right paperwork and is now washing his hands from responsibility as is the association. The boat was bought in Fl for around $100k. The broker is a major Fl dealer. I bought the boat and was given a history of paperwork including Bills of Sale from new (virtually). I was intending to do major work on her and was advised (same broker)that as I was non us resident, I could keep her in the US without paying duty indefinetly as long as she was removed 20 days after the work finished. I have found out this is not true and have now paid sales tax and costs, plus registered her in Fl. On trying to sell her, the same brikerage advised that as i do not have a title document they cannot sell her in US. She was imported (I have proof) and duty paid by previous owner. I think I have cracked the title issue by using a document agency in Fort Lauderdale, but who should pay the cost of obtaining the title. I have been told by the doc agency as well as various other professionals that this is something I should have been given at the time of purchase.

This is obviously a condensed version of the full story. Can you provide opinion as to who should cough for the costs of paperwork corrections and as they are stome walling me, how to get the desired response if u agree that the brokerage should have furnished me with said title in the first place.

Your replies welcomed ;)
 
#34 ·
Off topic

You seemed to have fallen in a wrong thread for your question. You might try making a new post.

I would think you could contact the State of Florida about you purchase, if it was made through a licensed dealer / broker.

maybe.. Although if your all here or thereabouts I could do with some sailing opinions.. I am having some issues with paperwork on my boat. It seems that the broker I bought her from did not give me the right paperwork and is now washing his hands from responsibility as is the association. The boat was bought in Fl for around $100k. The broker is a major Fl dealer. I bought the boat and was given a history of paperwork including Bills of Sale from new (virtually). I was intending to do major work on her and was advised (same broker)that as I was non us resident, I could keep her in the US without paying duty indefinetly as long as she was removed 20 days after the work finished. I have found out this is not true and have now paid sales tax and costs, plus registered her in Fl. On trying to sell her, the same brikerage advised that as i do not have a title document they cannot sell her in US. She was imported (I have proof) and duty paid by previous owner. I think I have cracked the title issue by using a document agency in Fort Lauderdale, but who should pay the cost of obtaining the title. I have been told by the doc agency as well as various other professionals that this is something I should have been given at the time of purchase.

This is obviously a condensed version of the full story. Can you provide opinion as to who should cough for the costs of paperwork corrections and as they are stome walling me, how to get the desired response if u agree that the brokerage should have furnished me with said title in the first place.

Your replies welcomed ;)
 
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