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06-03-2010 07:26 PM
mccary I am late to this discussion, I am sorry. But I own and sail a Catalina 27 Standard rig with a fin keel (4'). Mine is an outboard model with a custom bracket for my 9.9 Honda 4 stroke. I sail on the Chesapeake Bay, known for its light air and shallow water. But the standard rig and fin keel does just fine. I like my boat and except for those days with no wind, she gets along just fine. I do a fair amount of single/short handed sailing and I can manage her just fine. If I were in th market for another 27' boat, I would get the same boat again.
03-19-2010 01:14 PM
Originally Posted by mmazour View Post
Indigo - Where did you find that recommendation? Not that I doubt you, I'd like to add it to my research documentation.

Jim - My primary reason for the inboard diesel is that we like to play in the water and I plan on installing a swim platform off the back,
Sure, I don't mind you asking.

It's not a recommendation. The manufacturer's intentions have been gleaned from the brochures and reviews that indicate wings were the successsor to non-winged shoal draft options and the tall rigs were for light-air regions (or for sailors who want more sail up). The sailing characteristics I've gleaned anecdotally from various sources including this sailing board, other sailing boards, industry publications, etc.
03-17-2010 11:09 AM
Sailormon6 A folding prop will greatly improve the performance of an inboard powered boat, but they're very expensive, and it's an expense that won't be recaptured when you sell an older boat.

I'm not sure, but believe an S2 with saildrive would most likely have come from the factory with a folding prop. They might have been optional, but would have been a very popular option on an S2, which were marketed as racer/cruisers.

The choice remains the same. How much are you willing to spend, in terms of boat performance or in terms of dollars, to have a swim platform. You might be better off to increase the amount that you're willing to spend on the boat, and look for a newer model that already has either a swim platform or a folding prop.

Generally, it's expensive to modify a used boat. You're usually much better off to buy a boat that is already equipped the way you want, and is better suited to your needs. You'll usually get a better boat, for less total cost, that you'll enjoy more.
03-17-2010 08:10 AM
mmazour I failed to note that the S2 7.3 had an OMC saildrive.
03-16-2010 10:02 PM
Mark1948 To the latter comment, think folding prop. I am happy with mine.
03-16-2010 07:39 PM
Sailormon6 I have sailed on, and raced against C27s with standard rigs, tall rigs, fin keels, with outboard and inboard diesel engines, but not a wing keel, and agree with Jim that an inboard diesel engine will severely degrade it's performance.

With a sailboat, everything relating to it's performance is dependent on it's ability to generate speed, and it's ability to accelerate. As a sailboat's speed increases, it's ability to sail close to the wind also increases. The drag created by the prop constantly in the water prevents the boat from generating it's maximum potential speed and pointing ability - not by a little, but, to my way of thinking, by a lot. Whenever the amount of drive in the sails declines, such as when in a lull, and when you're tacking, the boat won't carry as far or as fast, it'll lose speed faster, and it'll take longer for the boat to accelerate back up to speed. In order to accelerate out of a tack, you'll have to bear off the wind much farther before you can steer it onto it's new course. As a result, it'll have a much wider tacking angle. By comparison with either your S2 or an outboard powered C27, it'll be very unsatisfying to sail.

To some of us, performance is crucial to our enjoyment of the sport. To others, it isn't so important. The choice to trade off that much performance for a swim platform is a value judgment for you to make.
03-16-2010 06:24 PM
sailingdog Be aware that swim platforms can be deadly if they are used when the engine is running... CO poisoning is fairly common....
03-16-2010 04:49 PM
mmazour Indigo - Where did you find that recommendation? Not that I doubt you, I'd like to add it to my research documentation.

Jim - My primary reason for the inboard diesel is that we like to play in the water and I plan on installing a swim platform off the back,
03-16-2010 02:55 PM
Cata lina 25

Comparing Catalina 25s I have a fin keel standard rig. My close friend has a 25 wing keel tall rig. My draft 4 feet, his draft 2' 11". He has a trailer, I don't.

Both boats can sail side by side for hours.

In very light air his is faster.

Downwind in most conditions his is faster.

Upwind, especially in strong winds, I'm faster and point higher (by quite a bit).

If I fly a 155 jib and he a 135 we are essentially the same in moderate air, non racing conditions.

I'd reconsider the inboard diesel. A Cat 27 with an outboard would be fine on a lake. Much cheaper to own and operate.

Comparing Catalina 25 to Catalina 27 we both sail about the same. I've raced extensively PHRF against a 27 and he usually wins, but I have some wins.
03-16-2010 02:49 PM
AboardIndigo The intentions of the manufacturer for offering the options are well-documented:

Catalina C27 Tall Rig (light airs) Fin (deep waters) (medium tenderness) (best performance)
Catalina C27 Tall Rig (light airs) Wing Keel (shallow waters) (worst tenderness) (medium performance)
Catalina C27 Std. Rig (heavy airs) Fin Keel (deep waters) (best tenderness) (medium performance)
Catalina C27 Std. Rig (heavy airs) Wing Keel (shallow waters) (medium tenderness) (worst performance)

In practice, I'm not sure how pronounced the sailing characteristics are WRT differences. I've never sailed a C27.
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