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|04-08-2010 02:46 PM|
Hey Brendan! Welcome back!
Have a great trip. And put some pics of the trip up on your site when you can. I'd love to see you guys sailing that Maxi. Sounds like a great run.
|04-08-2010 02:41 PM|
Thanks guys, I hope you enjoyed the thread, I enjoyed the publicity.
I am now fully crewed.
Fair Winds and Following Seas
|03-29-2010 01:51 PM|
Nicely stated and quite well balanced.
Originally Posted by sailordave View Post
|03-29-2010 11:03 AM|
Just stumbled across this thread and although I don't usually jump into hot topics... I'll offer a few observations.
MAYBE, just maybe the OP was re-iterating the fact that crew would be expected to contribute to all aspects of the passage.
I don't believe that was his intent and if indeed he was expecting his "crew" to contribute ANY monies toward this passage, even for food, well, then I would just steer clear.
I have paid (food contribution) exactly ONCE in all the deliveries/races, etc. I have done. And that was the first trip way back in the last millenia.
Having several thou miles at sea, (Including a NEWPORT/BERMUDA and other races) I always pulled my weight and then some as should be expected on a delivery. If this were a TRUE, LEGIT delivery, I would expect the following:
AT THE LEAST.... all expenses on the boat covered. IE Food! And if the boat puts into a harbor during the trip, the crew isn't hit up for harbor fees, marina fees, whatever.
Depending on the boat/owner and the crew's ability it would not be unusual to at least have travel expenses HOME paid for. Been there, done that. Makes it real easy to sell to your s.o. that you at least won't be PAYING to run away to sea and go sailing!
If OP is a legit operation and doing a legit "delivery" he would not be taking on paying passengers and offering them the opportunity to learn. Changes the whole complexion of things as has been pointed out. Becomes a definite case of Passenger v. Crew.
AFA some folks attacking the OP. Well, I'll not defend or attack them. I'll just say that I think the whole thing smells a bit funny. 35+ years of sailing in a variety of boats, conditions, seas and people make me see it that way.
As has been pointed out, if the OP wanted to clarify things and eliminate any misconception, he certainly has had the opportunity to do so. And yet????
|03-23-2010 03:02 AM|
Originally Posted by JimHawkins View Post
|03-22-2010 12:14 PM|
Originally Posted by AdamLein View Post
|03-21-2010 11:43 PM|
Originally Posted by krozet View Post
As for the "consistently" part - as is pretty clear, Dog posts in a lot of threads. Nothing wrong with that at all (I do the same). It's just very easy to come across his posts when moving around SN. He states his opinions very firmly. I'll do the same...many times with a differing opinion. Others do likewise with theirs. Again, there's nothing wrong with any of this...as long as it's civil...which I think it has been for the most part.
As a forum is a place for ideas, opinions, discussion, etc. I'm not interested in keeping my mouth shut or playing along if I disagree with something. I wouldn't expect that of you, I wouldn't expect that of Dog, or anyone else. As long as there's no animosity - it's cool.
So, I agree/disagree/joke with Dog just like I do with you and everyone else around here. But, I have absolutely nothing against him personally - and have told him so many times. It's not polarized "sides"...just different viewpoints.
I sure hope the OP comes back someday and settles this. He has been around here since 2002 and seems to have a pretty impressive resume if his website is accurate. It would be fun to know the whole story.
Cheers Kroz...and Dog! Let's go sailing!
|03-21-2010 11:18 PM|
Originally Posted by krozet View Post
|03-21-2010 10:50 PM|
You might actually want to read everything I wrote before spouting off... I pointed out that between the initial post and what the OP says on his website, things look pretty iffy. It would be nice if you could actually put your brain in gear before yelling....assuming you have one.
Here are the facts, since you can't figure it out for yourself.
The OP says that crew will be required to contribute.
However, the OP clearly states that CONTRIBUTIONS FROM THE CREW ARE REQUIRED. Obviously, he's not talking about work or sailing the boat—that would be pointless and unnecessary.
Finally, I'd point out that the OP obviously read my first reply on this thread, where I said:
Originally Posted by sailingdog View Post
I don't believe that any of those questions are unreasonable to ask concerning a delivery position you are considering crewing on. The fact that he didn't answer them speaks volumes.
Originally Posted by eMKay View Post
|03-21-2010 10:28 PM|
|krozet||Oh and I am not point the finger at anyone in particular, there seem to be people pointing the finger at the same people consistently.|
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