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04-11-2010 02:22 AM
JStorm Puddin,
probably this topics over? Gotta get last word!
Yep, I hear ya. I guess I was tryin to highlight the bright side for new folks. Fact is, there's a lot of hard work, dedication, unpleasant situations, yelling, and EFFORT involved in getting going in the sport. A high level of intelegen e and dedication is expected. All real racers have spent lots of money and time to do well and compete. Some guys are dicks on the course. OK, lots of guys.
Most of the "dickness" is a result of frustration due to these guys own
ineptitude at running their boat well.
Still newbies are wanted. Again, what's needed is dedicated folks that will commit, learn, work hard, and contribute to the effort to win races.
Of course, there are "fun" races available too - for the true newbie. Ask around and you will find what you're looking for.
If involved in real racing always think. Always think "FAST.". Always think "can I do anything to go faster?". As puddin said, learn from the experienced (and pick your teachers). Also , along puddins ideas?, you gotta read the guys and the situation and not burden them with things that aren't relative at the time. After all, all those guys are thinking FAST!
Max Boatspeed
04-09-2010 09:16 AM
zz4gta Another tid bit, for the owner, the race started at end of last season to get the boat prepared for the next season. Your race starts at the moment you show up on the dock, and ends when the skipper is happy how the boat is put away. Good racers show up an hour before 'dock call' to record wind pressure and shifts.

Another tip, don't get upset if the skipper turns out to be a d!ck. Lots of egos on the race course, do NOT take it personal.

My first race was on a C&C 35 down in the southern Ches bay. I had to drive 3.5 hours to get there and 3.5 hours back. I didn't care one bit about the drive, I had a ride.
04-09-2010 07:26 AM
puddinlegs So was just thinking about the last post and about things NOT to do on a race boat.

Don't ask questions.
Don't be pro active.
Don't be attentive. This one's difficult. Lot's of examples... light air, you continue sitting on the windward rail, and when you do move, you move like an elephant on crack. You're the mast person, the spin trimmer asks for pole tip up. You don't listen or care enough to level the butt end of the pole until asked 3 or 4 times. You're sitting on the rail and don't call puffs and waves for the driver and main trimmer. It's light air again. The trimmers are working their butts off to make the boat go. You're asking them if they caught American Idol last week. You don't take occasion to look up the course to see what other boats are doing. Are they lifted? headed? Wind velocity changes? You don't ask who you're main competition is, nor are you ever aware where they are. You've sailed on the same ride for 3-4 seasons, and you don't know any other position on the boat because you don't take opportunities or have the desire to learn them, etc... The list is long, and some of the above assumes that you already have experience.

If you don't, what should you do? Listen intently to everything. Make notes after the race. Think about where you've been and what you've heard. Ask more experienced crew and or the skip plenty of "why?" and "how?" after the race. Sitting on the rail is only boring if you're not using it as an opportunity to learn. Help rig and de-rig the boat. Sure, you're bound to make a mistake, but have regular crew check you're work. Hammering it home, keep your eyes and ears open. Concentration is worth more than raw talent, and often even more than much greater experience. Work hard at learning to anticipate what's going to happen and when. This is very important for everyone, but if you have ambitions to learning bow, this is what makes you THE bowman as opposed to A bowman. I'll stop here by giving the quick example of a friend who only started sailing a season ago. She asks loads of questions on the rail. She's not trimming during races (yet... this is a very competitive boat with a deep talent pool), but asks about what to watch and what we're looking for. She regularly volunteers for deliveries and takes them as an opportunity to do jobs and put into practice things she might not yet do during a race. She's very proactive and has developed a very nice 'boat sense'. Something needs to be done and it's within her reach, she does it. She asks about tactics while she's on the rail. It's a joy to sail with her even though she's the least experienced. When I think of "how to be good crew" without having decades of experience, she's it.
04-09-2010 04:18 AM
JStorm Lapworth ( and other new racers),
Cool you're wanting to start sailboat racing. The good news is that you're in! Sounds like you have a ride on an active race boat. Boats want newbies.
Here's the only catch:
You gotta care and you gotta show up. You can get info from your local sailing YC/club.

Yep, every skipper would love to have crew that are experienced, strong/athletic, dedicated, devoted, attentive, proper weight, smart, badass boat monkeys. Fact is, all you need to do is commit. I think there is alwYs someone looking for crew. These guys are experts at reading crew and are looking for someone that wants to really try hard and show up to every race.
Skippers need to fill a position. There are lots of positions that are mostly shifting weight and not going OB.
Some events are not going to have room for crew with no experience. For each of those races, there are 10 that you can get in on. Walking the docks and asking around is all part of it. Club racers welcome inexperienced guys that are enthusiastic about getting involved in the sport they love.
If the first boat you race on isn't for you, try again.
Welcome to the sport.
04-02-2010 12:44 PM
scarton So, where are you located?
03-30-2010 01:05 PM
PalmettoSailor
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Originally Posted by puddinlegs View Post
I'm not a dog, but I have a nice one! Safety? I'd tell these folks absolutely nothing. They're big boys and girls that are sailing very old boats that have done it this was long before we were born. I think they can take care of themselves. I'd happily sit out there with them w/o a pfd. The water's warm as is the weather.
Besides they're all experience sailors. Its the black shoes that give them away.
03-29-2010 06:21 PM
zz4gta You can sail almost 7 days a week in annapolis. Send an email to APS and ask about local racing. They offered me a ride sight unseen for their friday night series.

APS = annapolis performance sailing.

Annapolis yacht club is another place to walk the docks. Bring some beer and you'll catch a ride. The people who practice in the "off season" are the boats that have regular crew and don't really need extra bodies.
03-29-2010 02:49 PM
jarcher
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Originally Posted by lapworth View Post
... Well I just thought we where running out of practice time and that the season was ready to kick off.
Practice happens all season long ;-) If there is a weekend or an evening without a race and the crew can get together, go practice!

Maybe attend the skippers meeting and offer your services...
03-29-2010 02:40 PM
lapworth Maybe I jumped the gun but I just dont understand word on the street is that everyone wants you too come out and practice. Well I just thought we where running out of practice time and that the season was ready to kick off. Thanks zz I am up near Annapolis and I already offered to do the Down the Bay Race with you, I was looking for some local weekday races near Annp. I would race my own boat but it isn't fitted very well and I have no idea how to Start. I was hoping to learn the rules of racing this year on others boats and then maybe fix mine up down the road for racing. I'll keep looking too crew I just hate waiting by the pier makes me feel like a stalker.
03-29-2010 02:14 PM
zz4gta
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Originally Posted by lapworth View Post
O.K. I tried to post on spin sheets with people who said they need crew then when I say I would like too crew litttle or no responce. If you guys want new racers, well you have to help us when we ask to get involved.
I don't remember where you're located, but here's what I got so far. Let me know if you can make these...

5/15 NNSA round the buoys
5/28 – 5/29 Down the Bay Race
6/4 – 6/6 Southern Bay Race week
7/18 – 7/20 Screwpile Lighthouse Challenge
7/24 NNSA round the buoys
7/30 – 7/31 Governor’s Cup
9/25 – 9/16 NNSA Saturday Triangle course, Sunday pursuit race.
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