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04-20-2010 10:41 PM
Waltthesalt I had a Hallberg Rassy 41 ketch. It's good for open ocean cruising. You can shorten sail in a blow and still be well balanced with plenty of sail options. It also breaks up the sail paln so you're not having to deak with a large main. For those not distance sailing or smaller boats then 41ft I think the mizzen's a nusance. It doesn't appear to do much driving and it's one more sheet to tend. For a smaller cruising boat sat 36 feet of below I'd go with a cutter as it can reduce sail well and stay in balance. For local sailing I'd go with a sloop. Ketches and yawls got thier popularity under the CCA racing rules that didn't penalze the mizzen staysail.
04-19-2010 09:12 AM
christyleigh
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Originally Posted by rhills View Post
On my boat, the mizzen boom overhangs the transom which creates complicates lots of things you may want to do with that space - wind vanes, davits, solar panels, wind generators etc.
.....or.... It could make things easier. It doesn't interfere with my davits and I run the Mizzen Halyard through a block on the Davits for my wife to lower and raise my 100 lb outboard with the Halyard Winch while I'm in the dingy. Last year when they switched to Digital TV I put an antenna on top of the mizzen mast. That's where my Radar lives and one of these days I'll put a Wind Generator on a swivel mount up there above the Radar. And another ... one of these days things will be Solar Panel on top of my davits. So..... for me - nothing but benefits
04-18-2010 10:29 AM
rhills I have a 39' ketch, as it happens she's about 10 boats along the jetty from the one Ilenart's just sold. I've owned her for over 10 years now and if I were buying a new boat, I suspect the rig wouldn't be a major determining factor in my choice.

Like others, I like the way I can "reef" by simply dropping (or not hoisting) the main and sailing under headsail and mizzen alone. Our boat doesn't point any better with the main than she does without. I'm not convinced that the ketch rig is the cause of poor pointing with my boat - she's quite beamy with the main side-stays attached at the gunwhale and the headsail sheeted outside, hence a big angle of attack.

A couple of things to watch out for:

1. A ketch rig often means a centre cockpit which often also means less headroom under the boom, both when sailing and when at anchor. This may or may not be an issue for you.

2. On my boat, the mizzen boom overhangs the transom which creates complicates lots of things you may want to do with that space - wind vanes, davits, solar panels, wind generators etc.

HTH,

Rob Hills
04-16-2010 11:51 PM
Ilenart Patrick,

I have just sold my 45 ft ketch and in the process of finalising my next purchase, so I guess I fit into your criteria. Next boat I am looking at is a 39ft sloop rigged S&S designed cruiser / racer. However a big criteria for me was looking for a yacht I could single hand. I decided a slightly smaller rear cockpit sloop or cutter rig would be a lot easier to handle.

Where I sail we often have a fair bit of upwind work and I found the ketch rig was not a good rig for handling these conditions. Nine times out of ten we would not use the mizzan for the upwind work.

Like others have said, if you are planning lots of long reaching or downwind legs a ketch rig could work well. However if you are looking at upwind legs, coastal trips or day trips I would look at a sloop or cutter rig.

Ilenart
04-16-2010 08:41 AM
Allanbc I've owned my first ketch since October. I am still learning about the rig. So far, I really like it and like the ability to use many different sail options. I like being able to run "jib and jigger" for easy. The main is smaller and it is quicker and easier to set. I'm sure I will dislike my ketch when I replace the sails!
04-16-2010 02:33 AM
CrazyRu I have a Cat Ketch. I love the rig, I don't want anything else for long range short handed cruising. Ketch is the rig for strong winds.
However, last season I used the boat mostly for day sailing. I missed single mast.
04-15-2010 11:43 PM
okawbow I am refitting a Cheoy Lee 31 ketch. One thing to think about is the extra work and expense of a second mast. My boat has 14 chainplates. It has 16 rigging wires. More sails, more running rigging, etc.

I bought my boat solely for a trip down the Mississippi/Tom Biggbee waterway, and then a couple of long offshore passages. I wanted the ketch rig to reduce the sail size and aid self steering.
04-15-2010 07:34 PM
TQA I had a 38 foot steel ketch for 7 years ft cruising. I really liked the ability to drop the main and still have a balanced sail combination that the autopilot could handle with ease.

I was looking for a ketch as my forever retirement boat but finished up with a really nice boat that is a cutter. If I was doing more long distance stuff I think I would have persevered until I found the perfect ketch.
04-15-2010 05:14 PM
CaptainForce
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Originally Posted by christyleigh View Post
Actually my NC has the deck and mast attachments to make it into a Cutter also........
I assume you were thinking of making your vessel a Cutter-Ketch. I have no goals or anything to gain in altering my ketch either. I was just thinking of my choice with a totally new boat and no consideration other than rig. I, along with others posted above, am very pleased with my ketch; however, I do recognize that it would not be suitable for the racer. 'take care and joy, Aythya crew
04-15-2010 03:46 PM
christyleigh
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Originally Posted by CaptainForce View Post
If the selection of rig were the only criterium, I would probably select a cutter, but there are always other factors and compromises.
Actually my NC has the deck and mast attachments to make it into a Cutter also. It could be argued that my foredeck isn't long enough to be called a "Cutter" and I would only be adding a "Staysail" but with the genoa out there on that sprit the dimensions could be close to correct for "Cutter" rig. Whatever....... I did a test with a line (the inner sail halyard that is already set up in the mast for the "Cutter"/ stay sail) running from deck to mast and after getting the genoa hung up on it once (as I figured would happen) I said Nope..... no cutter aggravations for me. I'd like the extra sail area but not at the $$$$ and tacking price of adding the stay.
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