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04-29-2010 09:19 AM
smackdaddy Great post vara - thanks. And welcome to SN dude.

What happened to the boat you were on? Sounds like some rough conditions.
04-29-2010 08:35 AM
varadero I do think that maybe you have all been very lucky or under exposed, as opposed to under read. I sank off Bermuda 120NM 1984, 3 minutes is all it took. If the vessel had not been fitted with a good set of liferafts, I would not be typing this now. I will not go to sea unless the vessel is fitted with recently serviced (in date) liferafts, hydrostatic release mechs, and preferably more than one. the failure rate is in the region of 20%, and like parachute packers you rarely hear of failures, or recieve complaints. You may personally take what ever risks you wish, but have no rights to endanger others, family, freinds, and never clients. I had my raft come UP to me, it was capsised and managed to right it, there were 8 of us in a 20 man raft, capsise nearly occurred and we had to deploy evenly to avoid it, 40-50kts 4-6m seas wave driven breakers on top.
Rafts fail for many reasons, it would be interesting to know if the Rip-painter was cut or snapped or if it had a cage hanging below.
The better the life raft the bigger the cannister, and greater the cost. Economics and aesthetics dictate the quality and quantity. Economics and absent mindedness dictate wheather that cheap/expensive raft might work when you need it.
Trust the service station, but insist on seing the raft inflated and left for 24 hrs to ensure no slow leaks, ask for all replaced items to be given to you to dispose of yourself.
04-29-2010 07:51 AM
Cruisingdad No offense, but people need to read a little better before throwing out their two cents for God's sakes.

Give me a break.

B
04-29-2010 02:02 AM
ChrisK48
Pick up the liferaft!

Well it doesnt really matter what liferaft you are in if the person who comes across you can't pick you up because he is too afraid of what he will find!
Get in position to drift down on boat. Engine out of gear.. boat hook.... onto line round life raft.. shout to anyone inside... clear drogue and all ropes in case you need to motor.. pull life raft upright.. inspect inside.

Poor people.

And by the way. You can re-right the life raft from inside.. at a sea survival course they will teach you. WELL worth the money. After that you will do your utmost never to need a life raft! I call them death rafts. Mainly the biggest problem with taking to a liferaft is the people who don't see you or -in this case- don't pick you up.
04-28-2010 07:27 PM
Stillraining
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Originally Posted by utchuckd View Post
This looks like a pretty good idea for a life raft:

Inflatable spheroidal life raft with internal ballast tank
Good heavens...

I think I would rather drown.....Imagine being stuck on a hamster wheel/solar oven at the same time all the while on a angry sea.
04-28-2010 02:07 PM
hellosailor "Every sailor should be able to tell when his vessel is sinking ...when you're knee deep in water in the salon. "
Two problems: Most people, sailors included, are panic prone. The fish was ten feet long, the car was going 150-mph, the water was up to my neck.
And even if the water WAS that high, "it ain't over till the fat lady sings". Half-full and hull awash, the boat may continue to float, quite stably, for weeks. Heck, I was in a canoe that swamped. ARC water safety training said to shake out the water, bail it, and continue on. Well...the procedure doesn't always work. After ten minutes of that nonsense, we climbed back in and paddled the SUBMERGED BUT STILL FLOATING canoe back to the docks. Fully submerged, but still enough floatation to stay awash that way "forever".

No one rule will work for everything, as long as all the details aren't exactly the same. Still, I might rather be sure the boat was under the surface AND descending, and then wait to climb UP into the raft. (Jump on top, and hope you don't land on anything hard that was packed in it?)
04-28-2010 10:12 AM
utchuckd This looks like a pretty good idea for a life raft:

Inflatable spheroidal life raft with internal ballast tank
04-28-2010 08:39 AM
PCP
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Originally Posted by Omatako View Post
....[*]The chances of actually climbing up into a liferaft in a rough sea when it is being held alongside your boat would actually be very difficult and for all but the really athletic, virtually impossible.[*]The chances of a liferaft held alongside a heaving water-level deck getting holed by a stanchion or other piece of kit on the sinking vessel is incredibly likely.[*]The concept of getting in the water to climb into a liferaft would also require above-average physical ability which a lot of cruising folk don't have.[*]The concept of jumping from the deck ONTO the roof of the liferaft and scrambling into the opening is the easiest way even for physically challenged people to get into a liferaft.[/LIST]My instructions to anyone when we're doing a safety drill and the discussion reaches liferafts is that if the decision is made to abandon ship, it will be done in time for everyone to jump onto/into the liferaft without having to be a world-class athlete.
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I know that my wife will not be able to climb up into a liferaft. But I also believe I'll know when my boat is sinking beyond any doubt.
A boat with a large transom and a big bathing platform will not only make easy to board a dinghy but also can be very useful to board a life-raft.

Regards

Paulo
04-28-2010 08:26 AM
JohnRPollard
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Originally Posted by jaycallender View Post
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I have a 58' trawler and am famous among friends for going through the do's, don'ts and all emergency procedures every time before leaving the dock, even for a dinner cruise. It is a pain, and some friends think it unnecessary, but-sink once and it seems more reasonable.
Jay,

Nothing wrong with that. I do the same whenever new crew is aboard -- and an occasional refresher with my family.

P.S. Welcome to Sailnet! Trawlers welcome too!
04-28-2010 08:15 AM
sailingdog Yes, I'd imagine having a boat lost out from under you does tend to make you emphasize the safety rules...
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Originally Posted by jaycallender View Post
I have a 58' trawler and am famous among friends for going through the do's, don'ts and all emergency procedures every time before leaving the dock, even for a dinner cruise. It is a pain, and some friends think it unnecessary, but-sink once and it seems more reasonable.
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