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Topic Review (Newest First)
05-12-2010 07:47 PM
T37Chef Only on Sailnet could there be 33+ post to answer a simple question I love it

Oh wait, there is thread drift to consider
05-12-2010 06:40 PM
BigZ
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Originally Posted by Boasun View Post
If your engine is running whether ingaged or not, you are a power vessel due to the fact that you could and can slip it into gear very easily. And if you are motor sailing, I.E. with sails up and under power. You can't take it out of gear at the last minute and claim that you are a sail boat and have/had the Right of Way... Ever though some people have tried that excuse.
Not true. The rules are clear about this.
The regs are written to prevent accidents. The intent is not to have people twist the rules to fit their needs. Unfortunately too many "floating Lawyers" read a bit and try to interpret how to gain advantage. In the sample of someone switching in and out of gear that skipper would be an ultimate idiot and wouldn't have support of the law.

I went through this "engine running" crap on a different site a few years back and eventually contacted the Coast Guard. Here is their reply:

Greetings:

Thank you for contacting th eUnited States Coasy Guard Navigation Center. In regards to your question Rule 3 Rule 3: General Definitions of the Navigation Rules (International - Inland), COMDTINST M16672.2D defines the following:

* Sailing Vessel: any vessel under sail provided that propelling machinery, if fitted, is not being used (e.g. not propelling the vessel).

* Power-Driven Vessel: any vessel propelled by machinery (regardless of whether the machinery is in use or not).

It depends on which means is ACTUALLY propelling the vessel. We hope this addresses your inquiry. In our continuing efforts to provide service to the public, please inform us if this answer was helpful.

Sincerely,

USCG Navigation Center
Navigation Information Service
7323 Telegraph Rd.
Alexandria, VA 22315
Tel: 703-313-5900
Website: U.S. Coast Guard Navigation Center

Hope this clears it up. Also unfortunate is that several so-called training sites claim the opposite.
05-12-2010 12:15 PM
Boasun
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Originally Posted by BigZ View Post
Not true. Engine must be propelling the sailboat for the boat to be considered under power.
If your engine is running whether ingaged or not, you are a power vessel due to the fact that you could and can slip it into gear very easily. And if you are motor sailing, I.E. with sails up and under power. You can't take it out of gear at the last minute and claim that you are a sail boat and have/had the Right of Way... Ever though some people have tried that excuse.
05-11-2010 05:18 PM
davidpm
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Originally Posted by US27inKS View Post
Perhaps technically true, but if you t-bone someone with the engine running I'll bet you lose.
If you t-bone someone with engine running or off or sails up or down the best you can hope for is that the other guy will get apportioned more of the blame than you will.


Very seldom does either party get off completely.
The rules say don't hit anyone.
05-11-2010 11:09 AM
T37Chef
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Originally Posted by hellosailor View Post
dboy, you've been punked.
Good one HS
05-11-2010 10:11 AM
hellosailor The point is that when the sails are visibly deployed, you will be seen as a sailboat and treatede as a sailboat. Not a powerboat.

Unless you've hoisted the proper day shapes and someone recognizes them.

Used to be you had to BUY COLREGS to find out these things. Nowadays all the regs, state and federal alike, are free on the internet and most of the state regs are handed out for free at boat shows and other venues.

It ins't hard, or costly, to get comprehensive answers to this stuff. Or, to take a boating safety course and get a LOT of the blanks filled in while meeting other local boaters. (Typically, $45/half day course, with a certification that gets you insurance discounts and more.)
05-11-2010 09:54 AM
US27inKS
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Originally Posted by BigZ View Post
Not true. Engine must be propelling the sailboat for the boat to be considered under power.
Perhaps technically true, but if you t-bone someone with the engine running I'll bet you lose.
05-10-2010 11:25 PM
BigZ
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Originally Posted by US27inKS View Post
Engine running is enough to make you a vessel under power. Shut it off and enjoy the sail, as well as a slight advantage in the ROR.
Not true. Engine must be propelling the sailboat for the boat to be considered under power.
05-10-2010 11:03 PM
US27inKS
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Originally Posted by reillyjd View Post
How do the rules of the road consider a sailboat with its sails up, but engine running? Does the engine need to be in gear in order for the vessel to be considered a 'vessel under power', or is having the engine running (but not engaged) enough?
Engine running is enough to make you a vessel under power. Shut it off and enjoy the sail, as well as a slight advantage in the ROR.
05-10-2010 10:57 PM
reillyjd How do the rules of the road consider a sailboat with its sails up, but engine running? Does the engine need to be in gear in order for the vessel to be considered a 'vessel under power', or is having the engine running (but not engaged) enough?
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